George Washington very possible for BC Classic

..now that Dylan Thomas failed to take to the dirt, team Ballydoyle has come out and said that George Washington is in consideration for both the Mile and the Classic - but it sounds like the Classic is where they are leaning reading between the lines....

Theye will run Dylan Thomas in the Turf and now have Aussie Rules for the Mile, which gives them the intriguing option of trying George Washington in the Classic on dirt to have a representative in that race. Plus, they want to take their shot at beating Bernardini and Darley - that you can believe...

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

..now that Dylan Thomas failed to take to the dirt, team Ballydoyle has come out and said that George Washington is in consideration for both the Mile and the Classic - but it sounds like the Classic is where they are leaning reading between the lines....

Theye will run Dylan Thomas in the Turf and now have Aussie Rules for the Mile, which gives them the intriguing option of trying George Washington in the Classic on dirt to have a representative in that race. Plus, they want to take their shot at beating Bernardini and Darley - that you can believe...

Aussie Rules doesnt stand a chance in the Mile. GW needs to be in the Mile.

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Aussie Rules doesnt stand a chance in the Mile. GW needs to be in the Mile.

I dont understand how you can say no chance. This is probably the most competitive of all the races with as many as 10 that you could make a strong argument for.

Originally Posted by jpops757

I dont understand how you can say no chance. This is probably the most competitive of all the races with as many as 10 that you could make a strong argument for.

Go ahead and make a case for 10 of them. This should be good.

[jpops757]

Aragorn,Miseques Aproval,GorellaAskelWayBecrux,Silent Name This is for starters . Im sure the bashers will bash all of them but all of these are prime contenders.

[pmayjr]

Don't worry JPops, when that 15-1 shot pops... the bashers will say thier chalk got caught in traffic

Originally Posted by jpops757

Aragorn,Miseques Aproval,GorellaAskelWayBecrux,Silent Name This is for starters . Im sure the bashers will bash all of them but all of these are prime contenders.

Those are nice horses but I would only consider Aragorn and Gorella are the only two that deserve any praise. I like Ashkal Way but I dont think he is good enough. Silent Name I didnt like yesterday and I don't know what all the hype about that horse is. Miseques Approval (I believe) has never won a Grade I race. If he has, I am sorry.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

..now that Dylan Thomas failed to take to the dirt, team Ballydoyle has come out and said that George Washington is in consideration for both the Mile and the Classic - but it sounds like the Classic is where they are leaning reading between the lines....

Theye will run Dylan Thomas in the Turf and now have Aussie Rules for the Mile, which gives them the intriguing option of trying George Washington in the Classic on dirt to have a representative in that race. Plus, they want to take their shot at beating Bernardini and Darley - that you can believe...

Originally Posted by King Glorious

This year, we have several horses that are looking at a couple of races on the BC card and that seemingly fit well in more than one. I'd like to see some opinions from posters on which races they think fit certain horses best and why.

George Washington......Mile or Classic? I know that the Mile is the race he's coming for if he comes over and that's fine. But the second he crossed the line first in the QE II, I penciled him in as a Classic contender. That race is purely a race of stamina and horses that do well at 8f over Ascot's demanding course are usually more suited to 10f races when they come over here. In fact, I usually add at least a furlong more to what I think any European horse can handle when they come over here. I think he's far from the lock in the Mile that some think he is. He's possibly going to face a couple of horse that have already beaten him this year in Cadarak and Araafa and I also think Aragorn is going to take a lot of beating here. As mentioned before, once u get past the top two, the Classic becomes pretty wide open. Even a third there might be better than a win or second in the Mile. Plus, u have to know that they would love to spoil a Godolphin party with an upset by this horse in the Classic. Won't be surprised if he's pre-entered in both if he comes over.

Looks like Ballydoyle is trying to make me look like a prophet.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Aussie Rules doesnt stand a chance in the Mile. GW needs to be in the Mile.

I don't know about that Euro, pretty impressive this weekend at Keeneland

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Scav

I don't know about that Euro, pretty impressive this weekend at Keeneland

I take this back, I just looked at his TG sheet in the redbooard room and he is a tad slow for the BC Mile

Originally Posted by Scav

I take this back, I just looked at his TG sheet in the redbooard room and he is a tad slow for the BC Mile

There is no doubt he is a good horse. But he just isnt good enough to compete in the Breeders Cup Mile. I might be wrong, but I won't be betting him on BC day.

[georgewashington]

George Washington is going to run in the Classic? Thanks for the tip. First I heard of it. A couple weeks ago the people here told me the guys at ballydoyle would never do that. I guess you guys know better than the people who train the horse and the people that bred him. I will let them know it is ok with derbytrail.

Just to let you know, Dylan Thomas had nothing to do with the decision. It has to do with his future stallion career.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Aussie Rules doesnt stand a chance in the Mile. GW needs to be in the Mile.

Yes. I believe you told us this weeks ago. Put it at 74% or something. I think Ballydoyle knows what they are doing, but I will let Corballis know.

Oracle, still waiting for you to tell me who your friend is that knows Dr. O'Byrne.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

George Washington is going to run in the Classic? Thanks for the tip. First I heard of it. A couple weeks ago the people here told me the guys at ballydoyle would never do that. I guess you guys know better than the people who train the horse and the people that bred him. I will let them know it is ok with derbytrail.

Just to let you know, Dylan Thomas had nothing to do with the decision. It has to do with his future stallion career.

Read it on TDN and there were quotes fron Aiden O'Brien to verify their intentions with him and Dylan Thomas...its legit I'm sure..

[Hwjb]

I can't believe this is anything but hype. They will go for the mile with George, retiring him after he wins there, if all goes well. They then want the option of being able to say that he could have taken the BCC route, saying amongst all their stud propaganda that they believed he had the stamina and ability to handle the surface for the BCC.
Whilst there was good reason for trying this out with Galileo, Hawk Wing and Giant's Causeway, I refuse to believe that they will endanger the reputation of such a hot breeding prospect as George Washington.
If anything, they will have a throwaway shot at the race with one of Aussie Rules, Ad Valorem or Hurricane Run.

[brockguy]

agree with Harry, cant really see him being in the Classic.. He has the Mile at his mercy, Dylan showed what most Danehills do on dirt. Coolmore would have seen this weekend two very tough horses on dirt and Im sure will swerve them. Aussie Rules winning at Keenland showed them how good they are for the BC Mile.. I doubt 10f would suit and George is very very inclined to dwindle out of the gate, more so than other Euros which would be a huge disadvantage.. Id be shocked if they ran in the Classic..

[georgewashington]

It is 51-49 they are going to the classic. This has everything to do with increasing his stud fee. A BCM win would do nothing for him.

If you asked me, they think George Washington is the best horse in the world, some say the best they have ever had, and they want a shot at Bernardini. They don't like the Bernardini connections. No secret there.

The BCC has a built in excuse if he loses. It is a win-win. Everyone already knows he is a great miler. I think he has a great shot to run second.

[Hwjb]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

It is 51-49 they are going to the classic.

Don't sit on the fence there!

Originally Posted by georgewashington

George Washington is going to run in the Classic? Thanks for the tip. First I heard of it. A couple weeks ago the people here told me the guys at ballydoyle would never do that. I guess you guys know better than the people who train the horse and the people that bred him. I will let them know it is ok with derbytrail.

Just to let you know, Dylan Thomas had nothing to do with the decision. It has to do with his future stallion career.

Do you honestly think that people who own horses take the breeders input into any type of consideration when managing their own property?
If they do it would be the first I ever heard of it. Most owners pay their money when they buy a horse and do what they want with the horse because its their right to do so.
I don't anyone here has arrogantlyclaimed that they know what Tabor and O'Byrne have decided to do. Joel simply posted about something he had read where he read between the lines. He didn't say he had been informed by anyone of any specific details.
If you "heard" something weeks ago, do you not realize that owners and trainers change their minds on a dialy basis based up on happenings that occur?
Its plausible to me that they would try GW in the classic after the bad Dylan Thomas performance on the dirt. They obviously want a horse in the Classic and quite frankly it makes sense to try him there. The very best Euros have been beaten with traffic trouble in the mile many times. Rock of Gibraltar was even beaten, as hard as that was to believe. Makes sense to me that if you have already established that you are the best miler in Europe that your value can go down if you try the mile and get beat in a traffic jam. These aren't owners who care about purse money. Ginats Causeway was a similiar situation. ALready established as phenomenal on grass, they took the shot(gee who owned him again?) on dirt and were rewarded with an outstanding 2nd place effort which proved he could run on dirt, and as a result he was much more eagerly sought by breeders in the shed because they had a better idea that perhaps his offspring could handle dirt, which is the large base of US racing.
I see it as everything to gain and nothing to lose if they try the classic. If he runs poorly then they still had an OUTSTANDING grass horse who is still valued the same as he was before the Cup.
If he handles the dirt and hits the board his value skyrockets as a stud.

I think you've come to the wrong place if you are trying to impress people with insider knowledge.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Do you honestly think that people who own horses take the breeders input into any type of consideration when managing their own property?
If they do it would be the first I ever heard of it. Most owners pay their money when they buy a horse and do what they want with the horse because its their right to do so.
I don't anyone here has arrogantlyclaimed that they know what Tabor and O'Byrne have decided to do. Joel simply posted about something he had read where he read between the lines. He didn't say he had been informed by anyone of any specific details.
If you "heard" something weeks ago, do you not realize that owners and trainers change their minds on a dialy basis based up on happenings that occur?
Its plausible to me that they would try GW in the classic after the bad Dylan Thomas performance on the dirt. They obviously want a horse in the Classic and quite frankly it makes sense to try him there. The very best Euros have been beaten with traffic trouble in the mile many times. Rock of Gibraltar was even beaten, as hard as that was to believe. Makes sense to me that if you have already established that you are the best miler in Europe that your value can go down if you try the mile and get beat in a traffic jam. These aren't owners who care about purse money. Ginats Causeway was a similiar situation. ALready established as phenomenal on grass, they took the shot(gee who owned him again?) on dirt and were rewarded with an outstanding 2nd place effort which proved he could run on dirt, and as a result he was much more eagerly sought by breeders in the shed because they had a better idea that perhaps his offspring could handle dirt, which is the large base of US racing.
I see it as everything to gain and nothing to lose if they try the classic. If he runs poorly then they still had an OUTSTANDING grass horse who is still valued the same as he was before the Cup.
If he handles the dirt and hits the board his value skyrockets as a stud.

I think you've come to the wrong place if you are trying to impress people with insider knowledge.

I agree 100%.