Breeders Cup should only be held at

[Seattleallstar]

Belmont Park and Churchill Downs

[Scav]

will you please lay off the crack, you need to relax and stop trying to start ****

[Pointg5]

I agree 100%...

The BC at Lone Star was a nightmare, but when it was at CD, it was much better, because they can handle it...

It would be logistically impossible, but they should have the dirt races at CD and the turf at Belmont...

[dellinger63]

It was a real treat to have it at Arl. despite the weather. Don't fix what ain't broke.

[Kasept]

Scav..

Actually, Jerry's not off the mark here... There's been plenty of discussion on that topic.. California and Florida are awkward because Euros have their winter coats in and racing in warm temps isn't fair to them, and the configurations are inconsistant at some of the "other" guest tracks...

A BEL-CD-'Guest Track' rotation is probably the way to go...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Scav..

Actually, Jerry's not off the mark here... There's been plenty of discussion on that topic.. California and Florida are awkward because Euros have their winter coats in and racing in warm temps isn't fair to them, and the configurations are inconsistant at some of the "other" guest tracks...

A BEL-CD-'Guest Track' rotation is probably the way to go...

I know, but he is saying this stuff to start issues, like his poly thread earlier.

As far as my opinion on only Belmont and CD, I couldn't disagree with it more. The point of the BC is to give the fans racing at the highest level on one day. While shouldn't people in Texas (Lone Star) or Illinois (Arlington) get the unique opportunity to see this live, in their backyard. Think about this, 2004 was the ONLY TIME I could see a horse like Storm Flag Flying live, or Azeri, or Rock of Gibrator, without having to travel or pay an arm and a leg. The other minor part of the BC is to get attention on the sport and gain new fans, having it at only two places wouldn't do that

I agree 100%

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Scav

I know, but he is saying this stuff to start issues, like his poly thread earlier.

As far as my opinion on only Belmont and CD, I couldn't disagree with it more. The point of the BC is to give the fans racing at the highest level on one day. While shouldn't people in Texas (Lone Star) or Illinois (Arlington) get the unique opportunity to see this live, in their backyard. Think about this, 2004 was the ONLY TIME I could see a horse like Storm Flag Flying live, or Azeri, or Rock of Gibrator, without having to travel or pay an arm and a leg. The other minor part of the BC is to get attention on the sport and gain new fans, having it at only two places wouldn't do that

That's what the 'guest track' portion of the rotation is for.. Santa Anita, Arlington, Lone Star once every 8-10 years is fine.. Maybe get Fairgrounds in that mix sometime soon.. It's not that different from the way things are anyway really.

[Scav]

i didn't read it that way but that rotation would be perfect

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

I like a rotation including Mountaineer every once and a while

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Scav..

Actually, Jerry's not off the mark here... There's been plenty of discussion on that topic.. California and Florida are awkward because Euros have their winter coats in and racing in warm temps isn't fair to them, and the configurations are inconsistant at some of the "other" guest tracks...

A BEL-CD-'Guest Track' rotation is probably the way to go...

I will agree that Gulfstream has a pretty miserable win % for European horses. But what makes u say that California is unfair? Consider these numbers:

European horses have won seven of 36 races at Churchill (19.4%). They've won seven of 30 at Belmont (23.3%). They've won five of 22 at Santa Anita (22.7%). If u add in Aqueduct and Hollywood, here are the numbers:

Churchill-7/36 (19.4%)
California-8/43 (18.6%)
NY-8/37 (21.6%)

I don't see that as unfair at all. A couple of noses or heads here and there and the percentages could shift pretty easily. I've heard the argument for years about how the Europeans are at a disadvantage when the races are in the warm weather sites but I have seen too many big races from them, especially in California, to believe it's true. I think that to take the BC away from one of the top two racing centers in the country would be ridiculous.

[pmayjr]

Now that Gulfstream has gone through the renovation, are they pushing to get the BC one of these years? Alos, what about Del Mar possibly getting it one year? You could handle it like Lone Star did, have a special one month race meet to go along with the BC being hosted there.

[repent]

I agree with the concept.
they are far and away the most fair locations for the event.
but I do think their is room for an occasional "guest" track.
Im talking like once every 5 years, so that it is an actual event.
kind of like how its a big deal when the US Open is held at a public course.

the only guest tracks that I think would be deserving of some consideration would be the 9f tracks WITH A DIRT COURSE (Arlington and Gulfstream).
forget about ever giving it to HolyPark again.
how the hell are you going to host a BC at a track that basically now has 2 turf courses and no dirt?

tracks that I have never been to that may deserve a shot would be Deleware and Colonial.
I dont know what the surronding areas are like so I dont know if they could host such an event.
I just know that everyone that goes to those tracks, seems to like them.


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[repent]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

Now that Gulfstream has gone through the renovation, are they pushing to get the BC one of these years? Alos, what about Del Mar possibly getting it one year? You could handle it like Lone Star did, have a special one month race meet to go along with the BC being hosted there.

they are putting in poly.
where would the dirt horses run?
maybe you could let Del Mar run the BC turf races and freaking Turf Paradise in AZ run the BC dirt races.

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[avance2000]

Originally Posted by repent

they are putting in poly.

exactly why they should do it there. they shouldn't run the bc at any racetrack that still has a conventional dirt surface.....including ch. downs and belmont park.
this is the biggest day in horse racing and the non-turf races should be run on the greatest invention mankind has made sense the wheel.......polytrack.

[repent]

Originally Posted by avance2000

exactly why they should do it there. they shouldn't run the bc at any racetrack that still has a conventional dirt surface.....including ch. downs and belmont park.
this is the biggest day in horse racing and the non-turf races should be run on the greatest invention mankind has made sense the wheel.......polytrack.

the only ppl who like polytrack are those that care more about the safety of horses than the racing of horses.
its crap.
we breed for dirt in this country.
thats why we have the best dirt horses in the world.
now we are taking away the surface that these horses' very existence is predicated on.


you like poly,
then go open up your very own polytrack breeding farm.
you can stand that great horse Great Hunter for $50 as the farm's main attraction.

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[Kasept]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think that to take the BC away from one of the top two racing centers in the country would be ridiculous.

KG,

My complaint with SA as a regular rotation host has been the outrageous advantage the track has given the West Coast horses when it's been run there as much as the weather. And of course last time at Arcadia there was forest fire smoke and ash to deal with...

How about:

Churchill
Belmont
Santa Anita
"Guest Track"
Churchill
Belmont
Arlington
"Guest Track"

then repeat.. SA and AP every 8 years.. BEL/CD every 4 years.. Woodbine, Lone Star, Monmouth every 12 years.. something along those lines..

[avance2000]

Originally Posted by repent

the only ppl who like polytrack are those that care more about the safety of horses than the racing of horses.
its crap.
we breed for dirt in this country.
thats why we have the best dirt horses in the world.
now we are taking away the surface that these horses' very existence is predicated on.


you like poly,
then go open up your very own polytrack breeding farm.
you can stand that great horse Great Hunter for $50 as the farm's main attraction.

Repent

wow i assumed everyone would know that i was being sarcastic. did you really think i believed that the bc races should be run on polycrap or that the stuff was the best invention sense the wheel....i was totally kidding.

we all care about the safety of the horses....but it is a dangerous sport. the polydudes want to make things safer by destroying the sport. to me....that's moronic.
sorry repent, i guess i should have made my sarcasm a little clearer.

[Scav]

I would love to see it in Europe one of these years, Dubai would be absolutely awesome, although I don't think they would get much US support if they did this

Originally Posted by avance2000

exactly why they should do it there. they shouldn't run the bc at any racetrack that still has a conventional dirt surface.....including ch. downs and belmont park.
this is the biggest day in horse racing and the non-turf races should be run on the greatest invention mankind has made sense the wheel.......polytrack.

Anybody who replaces "since" with "sense" in a sentence whos advocating something gives you a pretty good idea that you shouldn't buy what he is selling.