Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Main Forum > The Paddock
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-11-2016, 01:06 AM
jnunan4759's Avatar
jnunan4759 jnunan4759 is offline
Washington Park
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Chester County, PA
Posts: 897
Default ADW

I need a new ADW. I'm locked into Parx and TVG PABets by law. With Parx, I get a free Equibase program for 600 points. I get 1/4 point for each dollar wagered. So my program costs $2400. If I want the DRF, it's 1300 points, which is wagers of over $5000. Nice customer service. I can also get TVG PA Bets, which is a bit better. I get free pp's if I bet $10 on a card. However it takes 3 days to get the money back. I also cannot bet HK and others.

Any ideas ?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-12-2016, 07:32 PM
freddymo freddymo is offline
Belmont Park
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 7,091
Default

http://www.FatBaldGuyracing.com betptc.com...I think they give up to 8% back at Parx
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-12-2016, 08:17 PM
declansharbor's Avatar
declansharbor declansharbor is offline
Hialeah Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Exit 30
Posts: 6,357
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jnunan4759 View Post
I need a new ADW. I'm locked into Parx and TVG PABets by law. With Parx, I get a free Equibase program for 600 points. I get 1/4 point for each dollar wagered. So my program costs $2400. If I want the DRF, it's 1300 points, which is wagers of over $5000. Nice customer service. I can also get TVG PA Bets, which is a bit better. I get free pp's if I bet $10 on a card. However it takes 3 days to get the money back. I also cannot bet HK and others.

Any ideas ?
Whaaaaaaat?!? How could you EVER be upset with phonebet.com?
__________________
"A person who saw no important difference between the fire outside a Neandrathal's cave and a working thermo-nuclear reactor might tell you that junk bonds and derivatives BOTH serve to energize capital"

- Nathan Israel
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-12-2016, 10:56 PM
jnunan4759's Avatar
jnunan4759 jnunan4759 is offline
Washington Park
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Chester County, PA
Posts: 897
Default

The entire infrastructure at PARX is from 1992. They just closed the Concordville Turf Club and the entire place was from 1992. Nothing had been changed Bar, bathroom, tables were 24 years old. They did put flat screens in 3 years ago, most likely because they were cheaper to run than the old tubes and they put a new beer system in after they spent 3 weeks serving beer out of a keg in a trash can. Shame, a lot of us liked it. The web interface is an antique.

My big problem is a state law coupled to the Slots law that restricts residents living within a certain radius to ADW's owned by the track operators. I'm withing 40 miles of PARX and 15 miles of Harrah's Chester. So, by state law, I have to use either one of them for an ADW. Clearly unconstitutional, but never challenged. Harrah's gives a stripped doen version of TVG on PABets and phonebet (Parx) is just 1992. I need a way to get around this.

I wonder if I can get a PO box somewhere. I'm not looking to duck taxes and would give my SS#, but I should not be penalized because of where I live. I should have a choice. I cannot get Xpressbet or TwinSpires or NYRABets.

I have no choice. It's PARX or PABets TVG. I couldn't get bets on the HK races the other night.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-13-2016, 06:18 AM
jms62's Avatar
jms62 jms62 is offline
Saratoga
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 19,762
Default

Not that I would for one minute think of doing this while in Vegas or at Breeders cup but if you must

http://www.labnol.org/internet/geo-location/27878/
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-13-2016, 07:38 AM
OldDog's Avatar
OldDog OldDog is offline
Santa Anita
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: rancho por el mar
Posts: 3,163
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jms62 View Post
Not that I would for one minute think of doing this while in Vegas or at Breeders cup but if you must

http://www.labnol.org/internet/geo-location/27878/
Thank you, sir.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-14-2016, 09:30 PM
jnunan4759's Avatar
jnunan4759 jnunan4759 is offline
Washington Park
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Chester County, PA
Posts: 897
Default

One thing I'd really like to see is interactive meeting rooms for players. If I'm going mostly at home, I want to hang out with some guys or gals.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-18-2016, 06:40 PM
tanner12oz tanner12oz is offline
Randwyck
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 1,412
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jnunan4759 View Post
I need a new ADW. I'm locked into Parx and TVG PABets by law. With Parx, I get a free Equibase program for 600 points. I get 1/4 point for each dollar wagered. So my program costs $2400. If I want the DRF, it's 1300 points, which is wagers of over $5000. Nice customer service. I can also get TVG PA Bets, which is a bit better. I get free pp's if I bet $10 on a card. However it takes 3 days to get the money back. I also cannot bet HK and others.

Any ideas ?
twinspires is available right? I know it sucks for rebates but they run some okay promos here and there
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-21-2017, 08:00 PM
jnunan4759's Avatar
jnunan4759 jnunan4759 is offline
Washington Park
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Chester County, PA
Posts: 897
Default

Found this Matt Heggarty DRF story. Apparently the fix is in on ADW in PA. I've been hesitant to say it over the years because I have bred and raced horses in PA for years. It is the only game in town.

Pennsylvania law boxes out 'unlicensed' ADWs
By Matt Hegarty


A tax approved by the Pennsylvania le gislature this summer has thrown the state’s account-wagering businesses for a loop, with confusion and uncertainty reigning among customers of the operations.

The tax, which was contained in an enormous budget bill approved June 30, is being applied to “unlicensed” account-wagering operators in the state, a description that fits all but a handful of account-wagering companies. Under the law, the unlicensed companies must pay 10 percent of the handle from a Pennsylvania resident to the state, with the money going to fund the state’s horse racing commission, which has been underfunded for years due to budget cuts and declining handle, despite more than $1 billion in slot-machine subsidies flowing to horsemen over the past six years and the billions of dollars in revenues reaped by the tracks though their casinos.

Pennsylvania racetracks also have some of the highest takeout rates in the country, with takeouts on trifectas and other single-race superexotic bets at 30 percent or higher.

Users of horse racing websites have complained recently that their account-wagering companies have sent them letters telling them to close their accounts, citing the tax. Those reports could not be verified; officials for several account-wagering companies declined to comment on the situation, and other companies did not return multiple phone calls over the past week.

Under Pennsylvania’s account-wagering law – which was passed in the 1980s – only state racetracks are allowed to accept bets over the phone or Internet. The law, which protects the racetracks from out-of-state competition, allows the racetracks to partner with account-wagering operators, and those operations are considered licensed. TVG is a partner with Harrah’s Philadelphia, a harness track; Penn National runs its account-wagering operation through eBet, which is owned by Sportech and licenses ADW operations to racetracks; and XpressBet is a partner with the Meadows. Parx runs its own account-wagering operation as well.

Those operations can accept bets from Pennsylvania customers without paying the tax, according to Samantha Krebs, a spokeswoman for the racing commission. Elizabeth Brassell, a spokeswoman for the state’s Department of Revenue, said that unlicensed companies have been notified about the tax, which went into effect when the legislation was passed.

Brassell said she could not identify which account-wagering companies were sent the letters or which companies have filed the monthly tax returns required under the law because of “taxpayer confidentiality.”

It is uncertain which horse racing entity or entities, if any, in the state pushed for the tax. An official for a racetrack in Pennsylvania – who would only speak on the condition of anonymity, citing the uproar among bettors caused by the situation – said that racetracks did not know about the tax until it was already signed into law. Officials for the state’s horsemen group have not returned multiple phone calls over the past week.

Account-wagering companies typically retain approximately 12 percent to 18 percent of each bet, leaving at least a small margin even with the tax. However, many small account-wagering companies – those most likely to be unlicensed in the state – award generous rebates to their best customers, and a 10 percent tax would likely reduce their margin to zero or push it into negative territory without a rollback in the rebate rate. Bettors are highly adverse to cutbacks in their rebates.

Account-wagering customers who have been cut off from their companies can at least sign up for one of the licensed operations in the state. However, under another protectionist provision of the law, customers within 35 miles of a racetrack are limited to signing up with that racetrack’s operation. Customers outside that radius can pick and choose among the licensed operations.

Those restrictions also have led the licensed account-wagering companies in the state to complain in the past about the unlicensed companies, many of which took customers from inside the radius of a track’s market area.

An earlier version of this article referred to eBet as a subsidiary of Penn National. eBet is a is a company owned by Sportech that licenses account-wagering operations to racetracks.

________________________________________________

Argh. the Horsemen at Parx are run by Lawyers. They have shiny suits and nice cars, nice homes, nice lives. Parx is owned by Lebanese. These goombah's got in bed with Bob Green and his arab money launderers years ago.

If Matt Heggarty wanted to do a nice piece of journalism, he should do the truth about Parx, Philadelphia Park and Keystone. Multi-national money laundering. No US taxes ever paid.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.