Maximum Security

[Minidar]

I was very surprised how many "experts" overlooked a golden wagering opportunity. Because of the stumble and duel it was obvious Hidden Scroll wasn't going to the front. This led to the most obvious lone f on a track that favors horses on the front with no pressure. Add to this Maximum Security had improving Bris figures each race and showed no signs of not improving again. The horse doesn't know he was entered in a mcl16. Also I can't believe the Hidden Scroll hype for a horse who only won on a sloppy track. Rosario is redeemed for the unjustified blame. In the end if the horse isn't good, he isn't good. Congrats team Maximum.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Minidar

I was very surprised how many "experts" overlooked a golden wagering opportunity. Because of the stumble and duel it was obvious Hidden Scroll wasn't going to the front. This led to the most obvious lone f on a track that favors horses on the front with no pressure. Add to this Maximum Security had improving Bris figures each race and showed no signs of not improving again. The horse doesn't know he was entered in a mcl16. Also I can't believe the Hidden Scroll hype for a horse who only won on a sloppy track. Rosario is redeemed for the unjustified blame. In the end if the horse isn't good, he isn't good. Congrats team Maximum.

Kindly direct us to your similar pre-race thoughts.

Thanks in advance.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Minidar

I was very surprised how many "experts" overlooked a golden wagering opportunity. Because of the stumble and duel it was obvious Hidden Scroll wasn't going to the front. This led to the most obvious lone f on a track that favors horses on the front with no pressure. Add to this Maximum Security had improving Bris figures each race and showed no signs of not improving again. The horse doesn't know he was entered in a mcl16. Also I can't believe the Hidden Scroll hype for a horse who only won on a sloppy track. Rosario is redeemed for the unjustified blame. In the end if the horse isn't good, he isn't good. Congrats team Maximum.

He also probably didn't know he was trained by a guy winning at almost 50% at a premier meet

[moses]

Originally Posted by Minidar

I was very surprised how many "experts" overlooked a golden wagering opportunity. Because of the stumble and duel it was obvious Hidden Scroll wasn't going to the front. This led to the most obvious lone f on a track that favors horses on the front with no pressure. Add to this Maximum Security had improving Bris figures each race and showed no signs of not improving again. The horse doesn't know he was entered in a mcl16. Also I can't believe the Hidden Scroll hype for a horse who only won on a sloppy track. Rosario is redeemed for the unjustified blame. In the end if the horse isn't good, he isn't good. Congrats team Maximum.

No handicapper is perfect. I’m sure most experts weighed the possibility and just thought a 49 second opening half mile was very unlikely and that even a slightly faster pace would have set up Code of Honor or Bourbon War or Harvey Wallbanger a little better. But it turns out, Maximum Security was able to slow the entire beginning of the race down and then finish everyone off. Great strategy by them. I’m not sure they’ll be able to repeat it in the derby. But maybe Maximum Security can finish strong even with a faster pace. We’ll see.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Kindly direct us to your similar pre-race thoughts.

Thanks in advance.

(I'm still waiting)

[jms62]

To me Hidden Scroll never looked comfortable in that race. I would not be suprised to hear of a physical issue.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by jms62

To me Hidden Scroll never looked comfortable in that race. I would not be suprised to hear of a physical issue.

After he broke, if the kid went on with him he wouldn’t have got into that uncomfortable position. Make the lead and then slow it down, not choke the life out of him in a bad spot.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Minidar

I was very surprised how many "experts" overlooked a golden wagering opportunity. Because of the stumble and duel it was obvious Hidden Scroll wasn't going to the front. This led to the most obvious lone f on a track that favors horses on the front with no pressure. Add to this Maximum Security had improving Bris figures each race and showed no signs of not improving again. The horse doesn't know he was entered in a mcl16. Also I can't believe the Hidden Scroll hype for a horse who only won on a sloppy track. Rosario is redeemed for the unjustified blame. In the end if the horse isn't good, he isn't good. Congrats team Maximum.

If it were up to me you'd be banned for this nonsense.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by jms62

To me Hidden Scroll never looked comfortable in that race. I would not be suprised to hear of a physical issue.

I agree with this. I really hope not though you because he could still be the best of this group.
I'd love to see him healthy and train up to the Preakness. Play no games and go up front. He would be so dangerous, fresh.....

[moses]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

I agree with this. I really hope not though you because he could still be the best of this group.
I'd love to see him healthy and train up to the Preakness. Play no games and go up front. He would be so dangerous, fresh.....

Hidden Scroll in the Preakness would be fun. Any indication they’re considering that?

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by moses

Hidden Scroll in the Preakness would be fun. Any indication they’re considering that?

Nope, but assuming he's healthy, why not?
Maybe they take a step back, remember he only had a maiden win.
He could go Pat Day mile, Sir Barton and Easy Goer.
Or an allowance at Belmont, even vs older.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Nope, but assuming he's healthy, why not?
Maybe they take a step back, remember he only had a maiden win.
He could go Pat Day mile, Sir Barton and Easy Goer.
Or an allowance at Belmont, even vs older.

I read somewhere the other day...and this was after the Louisiana Derby mind you...that War of Will was the early favorite for the New York Turf Triple.

Based on that psychedelic drug-fueled "logic", I have to think that Hidden Scroll is at least current second-choice for those races...

[Dawgswin]

Trollin', trollin', trollin'.....keep them newbies trollin'...

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Minidar

I was very surprised how many "experts" overlooked a golden wagering opportunity. Because of the stumble and duel it was obvious Hidden Scroll wasn't going to the front. This led to the most obvious lone f on a track that favors horses on the front with no pressure. Add to this Maximum Security had improving Bris figures each race and showed no signs of not improving again. The horse doesn't know he was entered in a mcl16. Also I can't believe the Hidden Scroll hype for a horse who only won on a sloppy track. Rosario is redeemed for the unjustified blame. In the end if the horse isn't good, he isn't good. Congrats team Maximum.

So this "golden wagering opportunity" came up AFTER the start of the race?

[moses]

Originally Posted by cakes44

So this "golden wagering opportunity" came up AFTER the start of the race?

lol - I thought that too at first - but he’s talking about Hidden Scroll’s start in the Fountain of Youth.

In the Florida Derby thread, I laid out the possibility that Max Sec would be able to run away with the race since Scroll was planning to rate. Then I basically disregarded it and said I was picking Bourbon War. I don’t remember Minidar chiming in. Maybe he could have swayed everyone’s opinion and we’d all be counting our fat stacks of cash right now. Very selfish of him.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by moses

lol - I thought that too at first - but he’s talking about Hidden Scroll’s start in the Fountain of Youth.

In the Florida Derby thread, I laid out the possibility that Max Sec would be able to run away with the race since Scroll was planning to rate. Then I basically disregarded it and said I was picking Bourbon War. I don’t remember Minidar chiming in. Maybe he could have swayed everyone’s opinion and we’d all be counting our fat stacks of cash right now. Very selfish of him.

Ahh, it's all coming together now. The man is a genius!

[moses]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Ahh, it's all coming together now. The man is a genius!

We’re going to be reading about him this week when CBS tries to dupe people into signing up for sportsline: “This guy tossed the two favorites to nail “longshot” Maximum Security in the Florida Derby. He made thousands off that race alone. Now sign up for sportsline and see what he thinks about the Santa Anita Derby, Blue Grass, and Wood Memorial.”

[jms62]

Originally Posted by moses

We’re going to be reading about him this week when CBS tries to dupe people into signing up for sportsline: “This guy tossed the two favorites to nail “longshot” Maximum Security in the Florida Derby. He made thousands off that race alone. Now sign up for sportsline and see what he thinks about the Santa Anita Derby, Blue Grass, and Wood Memorial.”

If they do it would be outright Fraud his first choice was Burbon War and second Code of Honor. Maximum Security was his 6th choice.

[moses]

Originally Posted by jms62

If they do it would be outright Fraud his first choice was Burbon War and second Code of Honor. Maximum Security was his 6th choice.

Minidar or someone else?

[Seattleallstar]

easy to say now after what we saw as is always the case, if they just let Hidden Scroll run who knows what would of happened. But it looks like Max would of still won