Willie Got Robbed

[randallscott35]

Marlins 78 wins and yes they were supposed to suck. That doesn't mean Willie didn't do a better job. 97 wins with a messed up pitching staff for 75% of the season. Giarardi is the first manager to win the award with a losing record. Let's hope he'll be the last.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Marlins 78 wins and yes they were supposed to suck. That doesn't mean Willie didn't do a better job. 97 wins with a messed up pitching staff for 75% of the season. Giarardi is the first manager to win the award with a losing record. Let's hope he'll be the last.

Randall with the ****ed up playoff system isn't it kinda fitting that in a year where the 13th best team in baseball in the regular season wins the WOrld Series, that a manager with a losing record wins Manager of the year?
Shoot with the current format its not at all inconceivable that a team with a losing record could get a wild card or division spot in the playoffs.
Its gonna become like basketball or hockey where you don't even watch the regular season and only get interested at playoff time.
Baseball above all other sports used to be the only one I watched intently from start to finish as the regular season meant something. Not anymore.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Randall with the ****ed up playoff system isn't it kinda fitting that in a year where the 13th best team in baseball in the regular season wins the WOrld Series, that a manager with a losing record wins Manager of the year?
Shoot with the current format its not at all inconceivable that a team with a losing record could get a wild card or division spot in the playoffs.
Its gonna become like basketball or hockey where you don't even watch the regular season and only get interested at playoff time.
Baseball above all other sports used to be the only one I watched intently from start to finish as the regular season meant something. Not anymore.

Mike,
There's a "letter to the editor" in the SI that came today that sounds like you wrote it. Hard to argue the logic.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Mike,
There's a "letter to the editor" in the SI that came today that sounds like you wrote it. Hard to argue the logic.

Stud I don't read SI, but as a sports fan since I could crawl, the one thing I always loved more than anything else was baseball. The games in April meant as much as the games in August and that feeling of urgency associated with wanting your team to win was there from the getgo.
Basketball and hockey are jokes, as just about half the teams make the playoffs, and football's newest version of 12 teams making the playoffs doesnt exactly rock my world either.
When they switched to the new format noone initailly complained because the Yankees were an incredible dynasty that only now is being appreciated to the fullest extent and they won 3 outta 4(although the year they lost they were better than the other other three years and ran into one hot pitcher in those stupid 5 game series).
Baseball is a different game than those sports, its truly a game of inches. Thats why they play 162 games to figure out who is better than who. But moreso than any other sport, even the very worst teams can win a series against the very best team. Tigers got swept out by the ****ing Royals in the final weekend just as an example.
For any one team to win three consecutive series is VERY hard. What it means is that the best teams aint necessarily playing for all the marbles. I have a problem with that because 162 damn games is more than enough for winners to be crowned.
Tigers were a damn good team, and I really don't have a problem with them playing in the Series. But I have a real problem with teams like the Cardinals and Marlins of 2003 and the Astros two years ago.
They didn't earn a trip there based on centuries of baseball tradition.
If they are gonna continue this nonsense the least they could do is shorten the season two weeks(I mean with 8 teams making the ****ing playoffs what does it matter?) and let em play 4 outta 7 the first round.
I gotta tell you that next April ain't gonna be the same for me, not even May.
You gotta feel like a fool watching the tv set these days in April as it really don't matter anymore. Anybody can be a wild card team, and any team can get hot or draw a better rotation in a 3 outta 5.
I'd highly doubt that anyone who is in a division vs wilcard battle will care next year. Why bother trying to win the division, it don't mean a damn thing anymore. If you look like the wildcard team anyways why not just go in the tank the last two weeks and start with the fresh rotation for the 3 outta 5?

Baseball was the last pure regular season sport we had left. It was the only regular season that meant anything, and now we don't even have that.

[alysheba4]

randall, come on man.........you or oracle could have managed the mets with their lineup.

[randallscott35]

Aly my man, Joe Torre has won manager of the year with a lot more firepower than the Mets had this year.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Stud I don't read SI, but as a sports fan since I could crawl, the one thing I always loved more than anything else was baseball. The games in April meant as much as the games in August and that feeling of urgency associated with wanting your team to win was there from the getgo.
Basketball and hockey are jokes, as just about half the teams make the playoffs, and football's newest version of 12 teams making the playoffs doesnt exactly rock my world either.
When they switched to the new format noone initailly complained because the Yankees were an incredible dynasty that only now is being appreciated to the fullest extent and they won 3 outta 4(although the year they lost they were better than the other other three years and ran into one hot pitcher in those stupid 5 game series).
Baseball is a different game than those sports, its truly a game of inches. Thats why they play 162 games to figure out who is better than who. But moreso than any other sport, even the very worst teams can win a series against the very best team. Tigers got swept out by the ****ing Royals in the final weekend just as an example.
For any one team to win three consecutive series is VERY hard. What it means is that the best teams aint necessarily playing for all the marbles. I have a problem with that because 162 damn games is more than enough for winners to be crowned.
Tigers were a damn good team, and I really don't have a problem with them playing in the Series. But I have a real problem with teams like the Cardinals and Marlins of 2003 and the Astros two years ago.
They didn't earn a trip there based on centuries of baseball tradition.
If they are gonna continue this nonsense the least they could do is shorten the season two weeks(I mean with 8 teams making the ****ing playoffs what does it matter?) and let em play 4 outta 7 the first round.
I gotta tell you that next April ain't gonna be the same for me, not even May.
You gotta feel like a fool watching the tv set these days in April as it really don't matter anymore. Anybody can be a wild card team, and any team can get hot or draw a better rotation in a 3 outta 5.
I'd highly doubt that anyone who is in a division vs wilcard battle will care next year. Why bother trying to win the division, it don't mean a damn thing anymore. If you look like the wildcard team anyways why not just go in the tank the last two weeks and start with the fresh rotation for the 3 outta 5?

Baseball was the last pure regular season sport we had left. It was the only regular season that meant anything, and now we don't even have that.

Good post,Big-O....this ain't the NHL!

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Good post,Big-O....this ain't the NHL!

It is now!!!!
I mean, the 13th best regular season team wins the World Series? Geez. I wonder if anyone with the 13th best record has even won in the joke of a system the NHL and NBA uses. I mean, 16 teams go to the playoffs in those leagues, but it would be interesting to see if any team in either of those leagues ever finished with the 13th best record in the league and won it all.
This may be a new low.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by oracle80

It is now!!!!
I mean, the 13th best regular season team wins the World Series? Geez. I wonder if anyone with the 13th best record has even won in the joke of a system the NHL and NBA uses. I mean, 16 teams go to the playoffs in those leagues, but it would be interesting to see if any team in either of those leagues ever finished with the 13th best record in the league and won it all.
This may be a new low.

I can appreciate and enjoy a team getting hot at the right time,but something's amiss here.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I can appreciate and enjoy a team getting hot at the right time,but something's amiss here.

Timm Randall's post is DEAD ON!!! and a lot more symptomatic of the state of baseball than anyone realizes. I can't believe noone is more upset about it, not because Girardi is a bad guy, but because baseball was the last sport left that hadn't celebrated mediocrity a few years ago, and now it does.

The famous line that in any given year a team will win 40 games and lose 40 games, and its what they do with the other 80 games that matters applies here.
To be .500 in baseball used to mean you had a bad year but that maybe the manager would keep his job and so would most of the players. Since when exactly do we start celebrating managers as manager of the year who finish BELOW 500???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll tell you when, when teams like the Marlins Astros and Cards make the World Series in recent years.
Anytime you change the makeup and let twice as many teams into the playoffs as you used to, you lower the bar. And thats across the board.
How sickening is it that the greatest game known to man is now placing rings on the hands that "battled" to a 13th place regular season mark, and awarding manager of the year to a guy whose team couldn't break 500?
Its absolutely sickening.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Timm Randall's post is DEAD ON!!! and a lot more symptomatic of the state of baseball than anyone realizes. I can't believe noone is more upset about it, not because Girardi is a bad guy, but because baseball was the last sport left that hadn't celebrated mediocrity a few years ago, and now it does.

The famous line that in any given year a team will win 40 games and lose 40 games, and its what they do with the other 80 games that matters applies here.
To be .500 in baseball used to mean you had a bad year but that maybe the manager would keep his job and so would most of the players. Since when exactly do we start celebrating managers as manager of the year who finish BELOW 500???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll tell you when, when teams like the Marlins Astros and Cards make the World Series in recent years.
Anytime you change the makeup and let twice as many teams into the playoffs as you used to, you lower the bar. And thats across the board.
How sickening is it that the greatest game known to man is now placing rings on the hands that "battled" to a 13th place regular season mark, and awarding manager of the year to a guy whose team couldn't break 500?
Its absolutely sickening.

Big-O: to be fair..I don't think Girardi had much to work with..so that could contribute to his favor(also the way the Marlins treated him). To Girardis' detriment, I've heard that he was pretty hard to deal with,especially the GM and scouts. Actually...I wouldn't have minded Willie getting the award..he's a good baseball guy!