List of Players on Steroids

[Rupert Pupkin]

The list of approximately 100 baseball players who tested positive for steroids may be made public in the near future.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/12/27/D8M9CVDO0.html

[SniperSB23]

It is funny that they didn't do the tests anonymously if they really intended to only use it for informational purposes and never release the results to the public.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

It is funny that they didn't do the tests anonymously if they really intended to only use it for informational purposes and never release the results to the public.

If baseball had Any balls,they wouldn't have needed Congress paper tigers to police their sport! Is This going to become the biggest scandal of the new century? What about doctor/patient priviledge? In the govts' search for the truth, they'll treat people on the list as defendants, and besmirch their character with innuendo,with great Malice. A witch hunt....whiles the commish 'fiddles in Washington"!

[Samarta]

My feeling on this, is what difference does it make to know that someone juiced before they tested for it. I could care less if McGwire was juicing when he broke the record. The fact is, at that point MLB didn't have their hands around it and for that, they should be held accountable not the individuals. Had they developed a program that included testing for all players on a recurring basis, and made the penalties severe enough to halt the use of enhancers, I think everyone would be okay. But to go out on these witchhunts is ridiculous, expensive, and unnecessary. This stuff drives me nuts.

[Gander]

Mark Mcgwire ruined baseball for a lot of people. Now I am a die hard fan of the game and the Red Sox and will always love baseball. But I can see what steroids have done to the game and I dont like it.

All this negativity towards Barry Bonds, which I can totally understand, but the biggest offender ever was Mcgwire. Why he ever bothered to show up and lie in court in front of millions is beyond me.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Steroids are illegal. They are against the law. Guys who used steroids were basically cheating. I think we have a right to know who was cheating. Then we can put an asterisk by their numbers. MLB should have obviously done more. There's no question about that. I blame MLB but I also blame the players.

[Gander]

No question I blame the players far more than MLB. They had a decision to make and so many made the wrong one. Too bad, baseball is a beautiful game. It defined my childhood, thats what I lived and breathed all the time.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

How can you "basically cheat"?

I think taking steroids is probably cheating. But there are some things that you could refer to to as "basically cheating". If you are playing poker and you try to glance at your opponents cards, that is "basically cheating". It may not techically be cheating because it is probably the player's responsibility to protect their hand. It is up to you to make sure that nobody sees your cards. But if a guy is going out of his way to try to get a peak at your cards, you could say that he is "basically cheating". I don't know if you would call it out and out cheating. If a guy had cards in his sleeve, that would be out and out cheating.

Roger Maris still holds the single season record for the most home runs in this guys book.

And Henry Aaron will not be overtaken by Barry Bonds. It will have to be someone else that is clean.

Those are not *'s for me. They just are.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Roger Maris still holds the single season record for the most home runs in this guys book.

And Henry Aaron will not be overtaken by Barry Bonds. It will have to be someone else that is clean.

Those are not *'s for me. They just are.

Plenty of Olympic athletes have had their medals taken away when they tested positive for steroids. Should they have had their medals taken away?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

The difference is steroid use is clearly against olympic rules (even while steroids are legal in some countries). Steroids were not against baseball rules until recently.

Not to mention, baseball players, even back as far as the '60s, have been taking amphetamines in order to perform over the day-to-day grind of a 162 game season. A lot more players have used amphetamines, which have been illegal a lot longer than steroids. So, if we are going to call Big Mac a cheater, even while steroids were not banned by baseball, you're gonna have to be consistent and start the witch hunt for the amphetamine users starting from the '70s.

I don't know what specific substances were considered banned substances in baseball back in the 1990s, do you? But I would have to imagine that all performance-enhancing substances were not allowed. I could be wrong but I would be very surprised if steroids were not against baseball rules. They may not have enforced the rules on all the banned substances but that doesn't mean that there weren't rules against these substances.

I don't know anything about players using amphetamines. I don't doubt it but I just don't know anything about it.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Gander

Mark Mcgwire ruined baseball for a lot of people. Now I am a die hard fan of the game and the Red Sox and will always love baseball. But I can see what steroids have done to the game and I dont like it.

All this negativity towards Barry Bonds, which I can totally understand, but the biggest offender ever was Mcgwire. Why he ever bothered to show up and lie in court in front of millions is beyond me.

I think he has a house here in Orlando (Tiger Woods' neighborhood)... off topic, but I remembered that.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

I know for a fact that steroids were not banned by MLB until 2002 or 2003 (I used to be an acquaintance of the fellow who actually provided certain substances to Conte). And, fwiw, some anabolic steroids are actually still legal and readily available OTC.

WRT amphetamines, quite a few players have said they are a much bigger problem than steroids ever were (Tony Gwynn has said that on Baseball Tonight, for example).

The testing was done in 2003. If the ban started in 2003, then the players that tested positive violated the rules.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Right. I guess I am mixing my comments to you and Gander together. E.g., Some of the accused were out of baseball by then (ie Big Mac).

And that's probably the very reason he got out. He knew it was about to hit the fan and I agree it was him and not Canseco's book that so far has been the biggest blow to baseball. But it is still an issue that needs to be addressed going forward and not what's already taken place, because guess what? While baseball is trying to figure out who took steroids in 97,98, etc....they are missing the players that are taking them now. It goes on in every major sport, and there are people that make a living at helping their "patients" mask results. I remember watching an interview with Carl Lewis shortly after Ben Johnson was stripped of his gold medal and Lewis didn't comment on Johnson's usage, he commented on how he couldn't understand why Johnson was caught. He went on to explain how people cycle in and out to ensure a clean test.