American Pharoah out

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Why?

Im with you, its such a stupid thing to say. Its not even worth asking why, because you will just get a dumb response. The guy pumps money into the game and has had horrible luck. Eskenderya was a triple crown winner and Bodemeister was a freak show who was incredibly unlucky.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

That's silly. About him being a much more likely winner than Daredevil.

I'll grant you that Daredevil, of the two, was more likely to flop badly.

And yeah, I understand you thinking Nick was being a chicken not posting that thought before AP was scratched, but hell, the race is still four days away. Not too many people have posted their analysis just yet.

Nick is a chicken? How is a guy that does public handicapping considered a chicken?

Nick has one of the best opinions of anyone I have ever known. His public handicapping record is superior. He's also about the least disingenuous person I have ever known. He didn't like American Pharoah. Frankly, no handicapper whose opinion I respect at all liked him on Saturday.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Nick is a chicken? How is a guy that does public handicapping considered a chicken?

Nick has one of the best opinions of anyone I have ever known. His public handicapping record is superior. He's also about the least disingenuous person I have ever known. He didn't like American Pharoah. Frankly, no handicapper whose opinion I respect at all liked him on Saturday.

I wasn't calling him a chicken. I was saying I could understand how RTH might think he was chicken by not posting his opinion about AP before he was withdrawn.

I then said that there was still four days still left until the race, meaning that his opinion would have been more than likely posted in the coming days.

[Indian Charlie]

I am curious as to what all these handicappers saw in AP that made him a toss out in this race.

I saw him far from being a lock in there, but I can see nothing that would make me think he's a complete throwout.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I wasn't calling him a chicken. I was saying I could understand how RTH might think he was chicken by not posting his opinion about AP before he was withdrawn.

I then said that there was still four days still left until the race, meaning that his opinion would have been more than likely posted in the coming days.

I never called him a chicken. I said its a silly thing to say because now the horse is not running anyway. The horse has paired up triple digit beyers, that's big for a 2yr old. Why anyone would call him the biggest bet against of the weekend is confusing to me. I would think horses like Judy the Beauty and No Nay Never at 5-2 and 9-2 would be much bigger bet's against then American Monster.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I wasn't calling him a chicken. I was saying I could understand how RTH might think he was chicken by not posting his opinion about AP before he was withdrawn.

I then said that there was still four days still left until the race, meaning that his opinion would have been more than likely posted in the coming days.

I knew what you meant. I should have said it differently.

He set a very slow pace last time, having things very much his own way, and was meeting both better horses and horses that were faster early.

It wasn't that he couldn't win, it was more that he was a reasonably unlikely winner that was going to be favored. That makes him a great bet against.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by Conrad

Zayat's misfortune brings me such joy.

He deserves it

getting joy from a poor innocent hoss getting injured.....for shame

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I knew what you meant. I should have said it differently.

He set a very slow pace last time, having things very much his own way, and was meeting both better horses and horses that were faster early.

It wasn't that he couldn't win, it was more that he was a reasonably unlikely winner that was going to be favored. That makes him a great bet against.

Hey BTW,

Where will your BC selections be posted? nyra.com?

Thanks,
ASU

[Calzone Lord]

If Upstart was trained by someone generic -- he'd be both my Breeders Cup Juvenile horse and my early Kentucky Derby standout prospect.

Unfortunately, he's trained by Rick Violette, who is uncommonly good with debuting 2-year-olds -- and unlike the general trainer, he's not a guy that you can trust to develop a horse who is impressive early.

That horse is by Flatter out of a Touch Gold mare. Not only is that a big-time anti precocity pedigree, but it's a very good distance pedigree. Both the grandsire (A. P. Indy) and damsire (Touch Gold) were Belmont Stakes winners.

He was so green in his debut, Ortiz looked like your average 7-lbs bug riding him, and he still blew a nice NY Bred MSW field away with a good figure going just 5.5 furlongs.

If Rick Violette has no association with this horse, and he wasn't going East to West and breaking from post 13...I'd be real excited about him.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

If Upstart was trained by someone generic -- he'd be both my Breeders Cup Juvenile horse and my early Kentucky Derby standout prospect.

Unfortunately, he's trained by Rick Violette, who is uncommonly good with debuting 2-year-olds -- and unlike the general trainer, he's not a guy that you can trust to develop a horse who is impressive early.

That horse is by Flatter out of a Touch Gold mare. Not only is that a big-time anti precocity pedigree, but it's a very good distance pedigree. Both the grandsire (A. P. Indy) and damsire (Touch Gold) were Belmont Stakes winners.

He was so green in his debut, Ortiz looked like your average 7-lbs bug riding him, and he still blew a nice NY Bred MSW field away with a good figure going just 5.5 furlongs.

If Rick Violette has no association with this horse, and he wasn't going East to West and breaking from post 13...I'd be real excited about him.

In a way hasnt he already busted the Violette curse?? He has run 3 big races already. Not just one and fall apart like the typical Rick V baby.

[Aly-Sheba]

Originally Posted by Conrad

Calculator is a maiden - has a maiden ever won the BrCup Juvy?

I like Texas Red

Action this Day I believe was a maiden

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Aly-Sheba

Action this Day I believe was a maiden

He was not. He broke his maiden at Del Mar.

[Conrad]

Originally Posted by Conrad

Zayat's misfortune brings me such joy.

He deserves it

Some clarification:
Okay, bad choice of words...should have said, "Ever since Zayat openly considered conspiring to keep Rachel Alexandra out of the 2009 Preakness (so Pioneerof The Nile, American Pharaoh's daddy) could have a better chance of winning the race, he has had nothing but bad luck and heartbreaking defeats"

Coincidence or karma??
Everyone loves Zayat - how soon y'all forget

[Conrad]

Originally Posted by Conrad

Calculator is a maiden - has a maiden ever won the BrCup Juvy?

I like Texas Red

Well that went according to plan.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Conrad

Well that went according to plan.

Good pick, gotta wonder how that race places with Calc and AP in the races as they were much better than texas red in the race prior.