1/28 (GP): $12MM Pegasus World Cup

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Uncle Mo was great. He was fast as a 2yr old. Had a legit sickness at 3 and came back to show true brilliance in a loss at Saratoga and the very fast Kelso romp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms-FD-LPEYc

Its easy to overlook his potential, but yeah, when he was good, he was good.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

If you're going to bring up Pleasantly Perfect as a horse that beat Medaglia d'Oro, I think we'd be remiss to not bring up Candy Ride. He destroyed MDO while setting a track record (sub 2:00) and earning the highest Beyer figure of 2003 (123). Prior to that race, he won a grade two on the grass while beating a multiple grade one winner in Special Ring. I think he merits a mention on this topic.

Candy Ride was awesome. Too bad he wasn't able to run more races.

[RolloTomasi]

Formal Gold in 1997:
Aug 2 - 2nd by a nose in the Whitney, 9f in 1:48 1/5 - 126
Aug 23 - 1st by 5 lengths in the Iselin, 8.5f in 1:40 1/5 NTR - 124
Sep 20 - 1st by 5 lengths in the Woodward, 9f in 1:47 2/5 - 125

Suspect at 10f (4-0-0-1)

Best Pal in 1992:
Jan 18 - 1st by 3.5 lengths in the San Fernando, 9f in 1:48 1/5 - 121
Feb 9 - 1st by 1.25 lengths in the Strub, 10f in 1:59 4/5 - 119
Mar 7 - 1st by 5 lengths in the Big Cap, 10f in 1:59 - 123
Apr 11 - 1st by 1.5 lengths in the Oaklawn, 9f in 1:48 - 121

Suspect outside CA (though Oaklawn race and Derby placing say otherwise)

Easy Goer in 1989:
Jun10 - 1st by 8 lengths in Belmont Stakes, 12f in 2:26 - 122
Aug 5 - 1st by 4.5 lengths in Whitney, 9f in 1:47 2/5 - 119
Aug 19 - 1st by 3 lengths in Travers, 10f in 2:00 4/5 - 121
Sep 16 - 1st by 2 lengths in Woodward, 10f in 2:01 - 115 * track muddy
Oct 7 - 1st by 4 lengths in JC Gold Cup, 12f in 2:29 1/5 - 120
Nov 4 - 2nd by a neck in BC Classic, 10f in 2:00 1/5 - 124

Suspect in the mud (lowest BSF for every campaign registered on off tracks)

[10 pnt move up]

The early 4yo Best Pal before suffering a major injury was a different horse than post injury, he 3 races or so in early 1992 were crushing, and if memory is correct he beat a few nice horses.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

The early 4yo Best Pal before suffering a major injury was a different horse than post injury, he 3 races or so in early 1992 were crushing, and if memory is correct he beat a few nice horses.

Major stakes winners Dinard and Olympio didn't make it beyond the Strub Series. Reign Road later took down the Del Mar BC and Goodwood before a fast closing 4th to AP Indy in the BC Classic. Another Review went on a mid season tear and took the San Bernadino, Mervyn LeRoy, Californian, and San Diego. Twilight Agenda won the Oak Tree Mile, Sea Cadet had just won the Donn and GP Handicaps and later won the Meadowlands Cup. Defensive Play later won the Excelsior. Argentine HOY Algenib later won the Golden Gate Handicap, fellow Argentinian Ibero won the NYRA Mile and the following year won the Met Mile. Past their prime In Excess and Fly So Free were also defeated.

[10 pnt move up]

So DRF has an article about the timing of this race...Trakus of course says there is nothing to see here, move along.

Reached on Tuesday, Michael Ciacciarelli, the chief operating officer of Trakus, said that the company had heard “chatter” about the timing of the Pegasus and had formed a team “that is kind of looking into it.” However, he also said that an initial review of the race had not turned up any errors in the timing system. Ciacciarelli did not immediately return a phone call on Wednesday morning seeking comment on any new developments in the review.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Major stakes winners Dinard and Olympio didn't make it beyond the Strub Series. Reign Road later took down the Del Mar BC and Goodwood before a fast closing 4th to AP Indy in the BC Classic. Another Review went on a mid season tear and took the San Bernadino, Mervyn LeRoy, Californian, and San Diego. Twilight Agenda won the Oak Tree Mile, Sea Cadet had just won the Donn and GP Handicaps and later won the Meadowlands Cup. Defensive Play later won the Excelsior. Argentine HOY Algenib later won the Golden Gate Handicap, fellow Argentinian Ibero won the NYRA Mile and the following year won the Met Mile. Past their prime In Excess and Fly So Free were also defeated.

Aw loved Sea Cadet. That tail was adorable. RIP.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Really? A once in a lifetime talent just cruised geared down. That wasn't exciting? This horse is 1 or 2 more of these races away from best ever IMO. He is different. No other horse is even close to him right now and I believe he is still improving. He is a lightly raced 4yr old. The best is yet to come.

I was referring to the race itself. It wasn't exciting. there was no battle down the stretch, didn't have to be chrome, any other horse would have been fine.

Im not putting him with the "greats" yet. C.C raced 27 times and won 16 of them. Arrogate raced 7 times. Yes arrogate beat him but C.C. was like Ali at the end of his career. It's way too early and he will probably be retired next year.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

So I timed it watching the race three times. While this is crude I got 1:46.95, 1:46.89 and 1:46.99

When I timed Songbird nosing out Beholder it came 1:48.14 all three times.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by richard burch

I was referring to the race itself. It wasn't exciting. there was no battle down the stretch, didn't have to be chrome, any other horse would have been fine.

I guess Secreteriat's Belmont must have been a real snoozer for you.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by richard burch

I was referring to the race itself. It wasn't exciting. there was no battle down the stretch, didn't have to be chrome, any other horse would have been fine.

Im not putting him with the "greats" yet. C.C raced 27 times and won 16 of them. Arrogate raced 7 times. Yes arrogate beat him but C.C. was like Ali at the end of his career. It's way too early and he will probably be retired next year.

Really? Chrome was over the hill when he won HOY and won all but one of his starts?

Wow, even for you that is pretty dumb.

[Secretriat34]

so it seems that upon arrival in Kentucky to breed , California Chrome was
x-rayed thoroughly, as most thoroughbreds are.

They found No issues, sound as a loud noise.

Could it be that the Horse in the #1 stall, Arrogate, got such a good start running into the first turn, striding wickedly fast, that the post position for Chrome was too much to overcome. I mean you really can't give Arrogate a head start by a few lengths with his speed, and expect to catch up to him.

I saw a 6 year old horse, who saw he couldn't catch up to the speed of Arrogate out of the gate, and he just gave up, like a horse who has grown tired of the game.

Nothing more than that..
he was behind from the post draw, and never caught up, and gave up at a mile after wicked fractions. He was seasoned enough to know, he couldn't catch Arrogate.

when you are in the 20th post at CD, you have a long stretch run to run the hypotenuse vector into the first turn, and loose little ground; at GP however, your hypotenuse vector is very short, and in most cases an insurmountable obstacle leaving you to run vertically instead of horizontally to approach the first turn. I wonder what the trackus distances would have been for the 2 ?

[LITF]

Uhhh...no. This is not what happened. Most likely he tweaked something in his knee that he couldn't run through. Ever go for a jog and have a kink in your leg that prevents you from running to your fullest? Bet your kneecap wasn't fractured. The X-rays coming back negative doesn't mean something wasn't wrong during the race.

This is not to say I think he would've beat Arrogate. I don't. I also don't think the trip or early fractions had anything to do with CC's performance. Something was physically amiss with him. That's all.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Really? Chrome was over the hill when he won HOY and won all but one of his starts?

Wow, even for you that is pretty dumb.

Horses can become old real quick, especially after 27 races and 5 years of racing.

[richard burch]

I saw a 6 year old horse, who saw he couldn't catch up to the speed of Arrogate out of the gate, and he just gave up, like a horse who has grown tired of the game.

Nothing more than that..

If I said that I would get a quote like....Wow, even for you that is pretty dumb.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by richard burch

Horses can become old real quick, especially after 27 races and 5 years of racing.

Some are just hitting their best stride

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Some are just hitting their best stride

I would say more are leaving than arriving. Especially at this level of racing. you also have to consider the late blooming 3 year olds coming up while you are declining.

Example - Look at Rachel Alexandra. Never the same after that hard campaign.



Ok some one call me stupid !!! QUICK!!!! tick tock...tick tock....

[steve]

ok I will...the breeding shed and the money to be made there is the reason good horses don't run