9/2 (SAR): Woodward, Spinaway (G1's), Saranac, Glens Falls (G3's)

[knickslions2]

Gun runner is a monster!

[RHT2004]

Gun Runner has gotten very good.
Arrogate >GR

[LITF]

I think I shall retire from playing the turf races on the NYRA circuit...

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by LITF

I think I shall retire from playing the turf races on the NYRA circuit...

yea, the riding there makes it impossible to handicap in my opinion.

I am hitting at 35% on dirt, 6% on turf this meet.

c ya..need more dirt races and they have few there.

[taxicab]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Gun runner is a monster!

Man,he sure is good right about now.
Classic chalk.......I think.

[taxicab]

That's a quad for Voodoo Song this meet,starting with a claimer........finishing it off with a Grade 3.
Outstanding.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Rabbit not allowed entry to Woodward:

http://www.drf.com/news/paoluccis-ra...oodward-stakes

What do you guys think? I can see both sides.

It seems to me this merited more discussion. Can anyone remember something similar happening before? That is, has a clear rabbit ever been refused entry?

I can see both sides, too, but I'm wary of situations where the power to act is completely discretionary.

[LITF]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

yea, the riding there makes it impossible to handicap in my opinion.

I am hitting at 35% on dirt, 6% on turf this meet.

c ya..need more dirt races and they have few there.

I had an okay little Pick 4 going singled to War Flag, using her because I expected her to be on or near the early lead. Well, I missed the start of the race and when I turned it on I couldn't believe to see her last. Figure damn she missed the break. But the chart makes no mention of that. So I guess they took her back to last on an opening half on 51... Oh well, guess that's a handicapping blunder on my part.

FWIW, thought she was best in the race. Coming from that far back into those fractions when the 1,2,4 place finishers all were close up hroughiut.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by LITF

I had an okay little Pick 4 going singled to War Flag, using her because I expected her to be on or near the early lead. Well, I missed the start of the race and when I turned it on I couldn't believe to see her last. Figure damn she missed the break. But the chart makes no mention of that. So I guess they took her back to last on an opening half on 51... Oh well, guess that's a handicapping blunder on my part.

FWIW, thought she was best in the race. Coming from that far back into those fractions when the 1,2,4 place finishers all were close up hroughiut.

I get ya, Bricks and Mortar was forced into a close up stalker who had to make a turn move and still finished great all because the way those races are being run on maybe the most biased turf course I have ever seen, anywhere. Its been inside speed the 2 weeks that would make keeneland envious.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

It seems to me this merited more discussion. Can anyone remember something similar happening before? That is, has a clear rabbit ever been refused entry?

I can see both sides, too, but I'm wary of situations where the power to act is completely discretionary.

pretty lengthy discussions in a few other places...it doesnt seem right if the stewards are going to let some people run rabbits and some others not....if that was maybe a more established, and less outspoken name owner, that the horse would have been allowed to enter.

it certainly would not have changed anything.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

pretty lengthy discussions in a few other places...it doesnt seem right if the stewards are going to let some people run rabbits and some others not....if that was maybe a more established, and less outspoken name owner, that the horse would have been allowed to enter.

it certainly would not have changed anything.

Yeah I wonder if Juddemonte would have been denied. I tend to think not but NYRA has set a precedent now and they should be held to this standard in future. Beyer was on with Andy and was none to happy with the decision. I give if credit for saying the right thing

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Yeah I wonder if Juddemonte would have been denied. I tend to think not but NYRA has set a precedent now and they should be held to this standard in future. Beyer was on with Andy and was none to happy with the decision. I give if credit for saying the right thing

I think the issue is that they wanted to use an 8000 claimer who hadn't run past 5.5f in his last 10 starts as the rabbit. Why not use the same rabbit as last time?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Kitan

I think the issue is that they wanted to use an 8000 claimer who hadn't run past 5.5f in his last 10 starts as the rabbit. Why not use the same rabbit as last time?

the last one was not fast enough to do his job.

I think using one that looks like it even has less chance to win makes more sense.

I have no idea why they could not have been coupled and allowed to run like we have done for the last 150 years.

[10 pnt move up]

Been waiting all meet to bet Givemeaminit back..only thing that makes it tough is most of these have ridden gold rails to wins so I dont actually have a feel for how good anyone is, but I know this horse ran a great mdn and at 8/1 really figures here.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Been waiting all meet to bet Givemeaminit back..only thing that makes it tough is most of these have ridden gold rails to wins so I dont actually have a feel for how good anyone is, but I know this horse ran a great mdn and at 8/1 really figures here.

The hoss who bombed him is in there. He lugged in about 7 paths because there was room to do so, but if there were other hosses there the jock would have been steadying and holding on for dear life. Doubt he gets that clear run here.
I think the Mcpeek guy comin it of that game win going 7/8 is gonna drown that field. With any luck Serling won't pick either if our guys and we'll at least have a fighting chance.

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

the last one was not fast enough to do his job.

I think using one that looks like it even has less chance to win makes more sense.

I have no idea why they could not have been coupled and allowed to run like we have done for the last 150 years.

Look at the horses that are used as rabbits overseas (e.g. Coolmore, Godolphin, etc.). They are normally half-decent horses, not sprinters plucked from the bottom class.