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Old Yesterday, 05:40 AM
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Default 10/16: Keeneland (4th-8th)

KEENELAND


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4th: CLM/N2L, F&M-3+, 6.5f (P5, P3, DD)

Best Value: #6 Despo's Dream 8-1 2nd
Next Best: #1 Up On the Edge 7-2 5th
Exotics Use: #4 The Big Calhouna 3-1 WON ($19.64)
Super Add: #5 Sassy Walker 12-1 7th


5th: ALW/N1X, F&M-3+, 5.5f-T (P4, P3, DD)

Most Likely: #6 Moon Spun 4-1 WON ($4.06)
Next Best: #7 Penny's Smile 9-2 2nd
Exotics Use: #10 Bella Haze 20-1 9th
Super Add: #8 Caberneigh 30-1 11th


6th: ALW/N1X, 3+, 9f (P3, DD)

Most Likely: #8 Yellow Brick 4-1 5th
Next Best: #9 Lips Say Bliss 9-2 9th
Best Value: #6 Footprint 15-1 7th
Exotics Use: #1 Bright Leaf 6-1 6th


7th: ALW/N2X, 3+, 12f-T (DD)

Best Value: #10 Mendelssohn's March 6-1 4th
Next Best: #5 Six Minus 5-1 2nd
Exotics Use: #11 Idratherbeblessed 9-2 5th
Super Add: #6 Cyber Ninja 10-1 7th


8th: MCLM/$20k, 3+, 9f (Hi-5)

Best Value: #7 Gotta Have Dreams 10-1 WON ($40.62)
Next Best: #12 Active Duty 5-2 -
Exotics Use: #3 Remarkable Mo 8-1 DH-5th
Super Add: #10 Rocket Night 6-1 3rd


P5 Grid:

4: 1-6 (A), - (B), - (C)
5: 6 (A), - (B), 7 (C)
6: 6-8-9 (A), - (B), - (C)
7: 5-10 (A), 6-11 (B), - (C)
8: 3-7-12 (A), 5-8-10 (B), - (C)

Simple (A+B): 2x1x3x4x6 = 144 x .50 = $72
All A's: 2x1x3x2x3 = 36 x .50 = $18
Backup (ACAAA): 2x1x3x2x3 = 36 x .50 = $18 (7 in 5th)


P4 Grid:

5: 6 (A), - (B), 7 (C)
6: 6-8-9 (A), - (B), - (C)
7: 5-10 (A), 6-11 (B), - (C)
8: 3-7-12 (A), 5-8-10 (B), - (C)

Simple (A+B): 1x3x4x6 = 72 x .50 = $36
All A's: 1x3x2x3 = 18 x .50 = $9
Backup (ACAAA): 1x3x2x3 = 18 x .50 = $9 (7 in 5th)


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Steve
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Bwahahahaha...

Machado asleep at the wheel!
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That's fanatstic boss! The type of thing that changes your fortunes.

Like a bloop hit. Unless, of course, you had the 9.
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Bwahahahaha...

Machado asleep at the wheel!
And you think that gives the sport a good look? Seriously Steve, glad you cashed, but Machado should get six months or more for that mistake. We cannot, as horse players, allow our short term gain to invalidate a clear violation of ethical behavior.
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And you think that gives the sport a good look? Seriously Steve, glad you cashed, but Machado should get six months or more for that mistake. We cannot, as horse players, allow our short term gain to invalidate a clear violation of ethical behavior.
He failed to persevere/misjudged which wire they were using. Have a hard time believing there was more to it than that. He thought the race was wrapped up. Not the first time and won't be the last. Shoemaker stood up before the wire in the '57 Derby.

He deserves days, but 6 months seems a little over the top.
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He failed to persevere. Have a hard time believing there was more to it than that. He thought the race was wrapped up. Not the first time and won't be the last.
Before my rebuttal, please know that I follow your board and broadcast as you well know.

Punish the "failure to persevere" so hard, so unforgivingly, that there is never a jockey, trainer, or owner who ever considers defrauding the wagering public who funds the game again. Never allow the mistake to take place again.

How many times do we have to hear about the integrity of the HKJC (including on Derby Trail and your broadcasts) but when it comes to punishing those on the US circuits, we fall back on the "it was an honest mistake"?

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Shoemaker stood up before the wire in the '57 Derby.
Oh for Christ's sake, who gives a good g-damn about what happened 67 years ago? Is the Shoemaker example offered to say, "yes, this is OK"?

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He deserves days, but 6 months seems a little over the top.
Until you change this from being the cost of doing business to an absolute punishment, it does not change. How do you think the HKJC would handle this situation?
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Punish the "failure to persevere" so hard, so unforgivingly, that there is never a jockey, trainer, or owner who ever considers defrauding the wagering public who funds the game again. Never allow the mistake to take place again.
Venues that use 2 wires are going to have this happen again no matter what the penalty.

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Oh for Christ's sake, who gives a good g-damn about what happened 67 years ago? Is the Shoemaker example offered to say, "yes, this is OK"?
The Shoemaker example is offered to show that even one of the best ever in the biggest race there is had a judgement lapse.
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Venues that use 2 wires are going to have this happen again no matter what the penalty.
So, that makes it OK?

Because the jockeys, who are reading the Daily Racing Form like you and me, are just too stupid to know the difference between two different finish wires? And because they are providing jockey services at a track with two wires, the wagering public is supposed to say, "it happens"? Because the tracks cannot put a damned neon light on the finish wire? For goodness sakes, Steve, we are in the 21st century - let's have some accountability.

Either get rid of the two wire situations or punish those ruthlessly who are just too uninformed (translation : stupid) to handle the situation. As a member of the wagering public, I am tired of saying, "it happens".

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The Shoemaker example is offered to show that even one of the best ever in the biggest race there is had a judgement lapse.
Sure, agreed completely. And, six months on the sidelines has the amazing effect of curing those lapses. I rest my case, Your Honor.
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