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09-28-2009, 09:48 PM
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We have seen players with and without Brady. Deion Branch? Troy Brown? Jabbar Gaffney? Brady has a true stud wide receiver for ONE YEAR and look what he does. He breaks the record for TD passes and goes undefeated during the regular season. 
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09-29-2009, 06:12 AM
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* An over the hill backup Randall Cunningham had a 15-1 season with Moss. The only loss was at Tampa against Tony Dungy where Cunningham went 21-for-25 with 291 passing yards and 2 TD passes. They lost that one game because Alscott and Dunn BOTH ran for over 100 yards and Minny's defense couldn't get off the field. * An over the hill backup Jeff George went 10-2 with Moss One of the two defeats was at Tampa Bay. They outgained Tampa 339-to-190. The other loss was 31-28 at Kansas City in a game where they LOST 4 fumbles. They dominated the Cowboys by 17 in the first round of the playoffs .. but lost a shoot out the following week in which Jeff George threw for 423 yards and 4 TD passes. * Gus Frerotte was perfect as a starter with Moss and the offense avg'd a mere 37 points a game under him. Frerotte avg'd 3 TD passes per start. * In Todd Bouman's first start for the Vikings he went 21-for-31 348, yards, 4 passing TD's and just 1 INT in a 42-24 win over the Tennessee Titans. * Matt Cassell - who never saw the field in College - went 11-5 as a starter and threw for 3,700 yards with a 89.4 passer rating. In a Randy Moss offense ... almost any bum off of the street will look like a superstar playing qb, slot reciever, and tight end. And the rb's wont get as many carries but the average yards per carry will increase. However, that all depends on the pass blocking capability of the offensive line. The offense with Moss was brilliant in Oakland in the rare games when the O-line wasn't downright man handled. The offense was terrible when the line was giving up a sack every other pass attempt. Thus, the way to correctly build a Moss offense is to focus solely on an offensive line of pass blocking specialists that allow enough time for him to run deep routes and double moves. The one advantage Culpepper had was that he was 270lbs and fairly mobile - even when the line didn't play good .. he was so hard to tackle that he completed a lot of short stuff underneath with defenders hanging off of him. However, he had to be the single worst game manager I've ever seen. No one was ever better at losing shootouts where both sides were getting gashed on defense.
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09-28-2009, 08:35 PM
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QB Stats of all kinds are devalued because of the rule changes, but this obviously means more in terms of cross-era comparison. That aside, Moss is one of the best WR of all time.
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09-30-2009, 09:30 PM
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1985 Dan Marino. 1987 John Elway 1989 Joe Montana 1992 Steve Young 1995 Troy Aikman 1999 Steve McNair 2000 Brett Favre 2004 Peyton Manning 2007 Tom Brady Against...lets say the 1985 Chicago Bears Defense.
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09-30-2009, 09:57 PM
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09-30-2009, 10:29 PM
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I think for 1 big game I would take my chance with Steve Young in his prime.
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09-30-2009, 10:41 PM
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09-30-2009, 10:42 PM
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10-01-2009, 12:31 AM
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10-01-2009, 07:42 AM
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I'd say either 89 MOntana, 92 Steve Young or 07 Tom Brady
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10-01-2009, 09:59 AM
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Take a guy like Troy Aikman, he's not in the top 100 QBs to ever live but when you have one of the greatest O-Lines in football history, Emmit Smith in the backfield, and Michael Irvin, Alvin Harper, and Jay Novacek to throw to you become a Hall of Famer. Hell, Mark Rypien won a Super Bowl for one of the most dominant single season teams I have ever seen strictly cause they had the most amazing line in NFL history.
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10-01-2009, 11:33 AM
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The three I mentioned, while watching them play, have performed better in big games than Peyton, or McNabb, or a lot of QB's. Clutch is a huge thing that doesnt have a stat to measure it. Its been a fact that Peyton hasnt played as well in Clutch situations as Brady. Peyton is a better QB IMO but I'll take Brady in a Clutch situation over pretty much anyone. Clutchness is as important as any other factor in my opinion. This poll was about which QB would you want in the Superbowl, which is the most Clutch situation in football. I'd take Brady, Montana, or Young over anyone. And Brady may actually be my first pick.
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10-01-2009, 12:11 PM
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Vinatieri was clutch, there is nothing remarkable about Brady in clutch situations, that is largely a myth cause he's a popular celebrity, similar to people regarding Jeter as a great clutch hitter when he's just solid in the clutch.
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10-02-2009, 01:12 AM
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The real beneficiary of all those stud offensive players was Emmit Smith. Grossly overrated in my estimation. I can only imagine Barry Sanders on that team, that would have been sick.
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10-02-2009, 02:17 AM
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Kurt Warner
Games..........101 (57-44.564)..........11 (8-3.727).........6 (4-2.667) Comp.............2260.........................261. ....................152 Att................3442.........................40 3......................236 Comp%............65.7........................64.8. ....................64.4 Yds...............27704.......................3368 ......................1905 TD.................178..........................26 ........................12 TD%................5.2..........................6. 5.......................5.1 Int..................113.......................... 13........................6 Int%...............3.3...........................3 .2.......................2.5 YPG.................274.3......................306 .2.....................317.5 Rating..............93.9.........................9 8.9.....................95.7 Warner is an interesting guy by the numbers. There's considerable debate about whether or not he's a hall of famer. I say yes. His career numbers aren't all that great but he's won a couple of MVP awards and been to three Super Bowls with two different teams. He's performed better in the playoffs and in the really big games than he has in the regular season and that's something I love. His passer rating is very high and his yards per game is extremely impressive. So is his accuracy and his 2/1 td to int ratio in the playoffs. When it comes to playoff performers, he's ahead of Brady, Aikman, and Montana in yards per game, completion %, td %, and passer rating. And that's just of the ones I've done so far.
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10-02-2009, 05:40 AM
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10-02-2009, 07:43 AM
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I went to a ton of Eagles/Cowboys games growing up. During those golden years for the Cowgirls, you could drive 18 wheelers through the holes the offensive line created. Anyone on this site could have rushed for 1000 yards per season on that team also, Good stats King.
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