Brother Derek - Page 2

pdrift1 · #1 10-10-2006, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah his trip was bad in the Derby, but not half as bad as Sweetnorthernsaint, or Point Determined. He's good, but I agree with joel, he is a bit overhyped as of right now. I agree he should sit out the Classic and point for the Cal Cup. He could also have a very productive winter at Santa Anita, a track he is obviously very fond of.

i agree with you that it might be to much to fast for the classic. but on bad trips bd equals both sns and pd in my opinion. he couldnt have gotten a more crappier post postion

#2 10-10-2006, 11:43 PM

He has zero shot of being anywhere close to the Trifecta in the BC Classic IMO.....

kentuckyrosesinmay · #3 10-10-2006, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah his trip was bad in the Derby, but not half as bad as Sweetnorthernsaint, or Point Determined. He's good, but I agree with joel, he is a bit overhyped as of right now. I agree he should sit out the Classic and point for the Cal Cup. He could also have a very productive winter at Santa Anita, a track he is obviously very fond of.

Yeah, I agree with this as well. Also, Brother Derek is a smaller built colt that doesn't look like there is much room for improvement. While he is a really nice horse, I think his race on Saturday is going to be as good as he gets. Don't get me wrong, I do like him and think that he is game horse, but he can't go with the big guns.

I think the same thing about Lawyer Ron.

pdrift1 · #4 10-10-2006, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Yeah, I agree with this as well. Also, Brother Derek is a smaller built colt that doesn't look like there is much room for improvement. While he is a really nice horse, I think his race on Saturday is going to be as good as he gets. Don't get me wrong, I do like him and think that he is game horse, but he can't go with the big guns.

I think the same thing about Lawyer Ron.

well if thats as good as it gets for him that means if lava man wasn't in the picture this boy would be racking up some grade 1 and 2's out west cause that was all they have out thier in that race except surf cat

#5 10-10-2006, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Yeah, I agree with this as well. Also, Brother Derek is a smaller built colt that doesn't look like there is much room for improvement. While he is a really nice horse, I think his race on Saturday is going to be as good as he gets. Don't get me wrong, I do like him and think that he is game horse, but he can't go with the big guns.

I think the same thing about Lawyer Ron.

Oh for Christ sakes you got to be big to be good.
All for looks again. Off to the dog show Bozworth, quickly.

Smarty was not perfectly symmetric so he was a dud. Good lord.
Hello. Just cause a horse is small does not mean they dont mature in muscular stature. Come in Houston...
Man I bet Sea Biscuit would make you puke... No check that. Blood lines were too good, you gotta like him. Help.
This is about running, not about how big a horse is. Come in.

dr. fager · #6 10-10-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Oh for Christ sakes you got to be big to be good.
All for looks again. Off to the dog show Bozworth, quickly.

Smarty was not perfectly symmetric so he was a dude. Good lord.

yeah look at Megahertz, she sucked

kentuckyrosesinmay · #7 10-11-2006, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Oh for Christ sakes you got to be big to be good.
All for looks again. Off to the dog show Bozworth, quickly.

Smarty was not perfectly symmetric so he was a dud. Good lord.
Hello. Just cause a horse is small does not mean they dont mature in muscular stature. Come in Houston...
Man I bet Sea Biscuit would make you puke... No check that. Blood lines were too good, you gotta like him. Help.
This is about running, not about how big a horse is. Come in.

Sheesh. What's gotten into you?

No, he doesn't have to be big to be good. I am judging his ability on his performances and my ability to pick out horses that are going to stay at the same level and those that are going to improve. I have watched tons of horses mature and develop over the years. You are talking down to the wrong person if you think that I don't know a little bit about muscular development.

It doesn't mean that BD can't win a G1 out west here and there. It just means that he can't go with horses such as Bernardini, Sun King, Lava Man, and Invasor.

And for the record, Seabiscuit wasn't the prettiest horse, but I liked the way that he was built. He was all racehorse.

Also, I never said that Smarty was a dud. Smarty was awesome. I just said that he wasn't as good as Bernardini, and IMO, he isn't.

And I think that you were referring to someone else when you were talking about bloodlines. I'm a performance person, not a bloodline person, although I do like a good performance horse with a nice pedigree.

Cajungator26 · #8 10-10-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Yeah, I agree with this as well. Also, Brother Derek is a smaller built colt that doesn't look like there is much room for improvement. While he is a really nice horse, I think his race on Saturday is going to be as good as he gets. Don't get me wrong, I do like him and think that he is game horse, but he can't go with the big guns.

I think the same thing about Lawyer Ron.

So, you've changed your tune about Lawyer Ron? I remember you thought differently before the derby...

kentuckyrosesinmay · #9 10-11-2006, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

So, you've changed your tune about Lawyer Ron? I remember you thought differently before the derby...

Yeah, I've changed my tune. I'm still a huge fan of the horse, and think that he is a solid Grade II animal, but I know that he can't go with the big boys. I've changed my mind because I'm learning. Remember, I'm fairly new at this game

King Glorious · #10 10-11-2006, 12:25 AM

The reality is (and it's a pretty sad reality) that Brother Derek is probably one of the top 10 Classic contenders at this point. But he's very far behind the top 2-3 contenders. After u get past Bernardini, Lava Man, and Invasor (if he runs), can u honestly say that Brother Derek is outclassed by any of the rest of the Classic contenders? He ran as well against Lava Man as Perfect Drift did. Strong Contender, Ball Four, It's No Joke? None of them outclass him. Bright One? Sun King? I don't see them as outclassing him either. I'm not saying he's better than them but I think he fits. If he's able to get fourth, or third if Invasor is not there, it's worth it to go. Usually, I say that if u aren't entering to win a race or using a race as a prep for a bigger one that u shouldn't go. But the purses of the BC make it different. I don't think Brother Derek has a shot in hell to win the race. But outside of Bernardini and Lava Man, I don't think anyone else does either.

Slewbopper · #11 10-12-2006, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah his trip was bad in the Derby, but not half as bad as Sweetnorthernsaint, or Point Determined. He's good, but I agree with joel, he is a bit overhyped as of right now. I agree he should sit out the Classic and point for the Cal Cup. He could also have a very productive winter at Santa Anita, a track he is obviously very fond of.

He seems to be a horse that can't win outside Los Angeles. The Cal Cup Classic will be in Florida next year. I wouldn't pencil in a win for him just yet. His record at SA/Hol is 7-6-1-0. At other tracks, including Delmar, it is
5-0-0-1 with 4 fourths.

boswd · #12 10-12-2006, 11:02 AM

I honestly believe we don't know how good this horse really is either way. I will give him the bad trip excuse in the derby and he still finished a respectable 4th. Preakness, he just got his butt whipped no excused sorry. His Del Mar race was coming off a way tooo long of a layoff and is a toss even though he did face really bad competition. Bad move on Hendricks.
He has showed a lot of talent going into the Derby. And has been poorly managed since then. Until we see Brother Derek on a normal schedule we will have to wait to determine whether or not he just a good So Cal horse or a good national horse.

Slewbopper · #13 10-12-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No you're thinking of the Sunshine Millions. I'm talking about the Cal Cup. Sunshine Millions is Fla and Cal breds competing in races against each other at Gulfstream and Santa Anita and its sometime in late January. The Cal Cup is a series of races for only Cal Breds, held at Santa Anita in late October I think.

I just reread what I wrote and thought "Duh". In that case, I wonder if Hendricks will ship to Gulfstream for the Sunshine Million.

boswd · #14 10-11-2006, 06:07 PM

Brother Derek over hyped hmmmm. I don't know. Going into the Derby who was a deserving morning line favorite. He won everything he had too. After the Derby it seems there has been allot of excuses made for him, some have merit, some don't.
IMO I think Hendricks took a huge gamble with Bro Derek going into his fall campaign and up to this point has failed. I think it was a huge mistake keeping him from the major summer stakes races for 3 yr olds. Either he was secretly hurt or sore or just bad strategy. Sort of reminds me of Phletcher and Flower Ally But either way his stock has fallen drastically. A shocking upset in the BC is a must otherwise we'll see how he is as a four yr old.

#15 10-11-2006, 08:23 PM

Bro. Derek needs to stay in Cal if they want him to win anymore.

King Glorious · #16 10-11-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Eyes

Bro. Derek needs to stay in Cal if they want him to win anymore.

He could surely have beaten a sorry field like that one in the Indiana Derby. He could have won the WV Derby. There are plenty of fields outside of California that he can beat. He just won't beat a horse like Bernardini or Barbaro even if they ran the race in his dreams.

#17 10-11-2006, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

He could surely have beaten a sorry field like that one in the Indiana Derby. He could have won the WV Derby. There are plenty of fields outside of California that he can beat. He just won't beat a horse like Bernardini or Barbaro even if they ran the race in his dreams.

Why bother shipping him for those kinds of races when he can find similiar or better in Cal and win them?

SniperSB23 · #18 10-11-2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Eyes

Why bother shipping him for those kinds of races when he can find similiar or better in Cal and win them?

There weren't any he could have won in Cal for anywhere near the purses of those races. The Del Mar meet really lacks in 3yo dirt racing.

King Glorious · #19 10-11-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Eyes

Why bother shipping him for those kinds of races when he can find similiar or better in Cal and win them?

The Swaps is the only big race in California for 3yo's on the dirt after the TC. The purse there is $250k, $350k if u are a BC eligible horse. The purse for the WV Derby is $750k. For the Indiana Derby it's $500k. The Super Derby was run for $500k. Do u still have to ask why bother?