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09-30-2011, 03:28 PM
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"Charismatic" on ESPN
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09-30-2011, 05:25 PM
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The story of the horse was more interesting and unusual than the story of the jockey.
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09-30-2011, 06:47 PM
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09-30-2011, 10:38 PM
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I got married the day he won the Preakness (May 15th 1999)
This was way before I was into Horse racing. Now my Dumb^$$ has an Anniversary to celebrate on every Preakness weekend.  Last edited by VOL JACK : 09-30-2011 at 10:51 PM.
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09-30-2011, 10:48 PM
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Authentic SEC speak
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10-01-2011, 09:38 AM
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Thanks, Merlinsky!
I've been waiting for this -- it was originally to be aired as one of ESPN's 30 for 30 shows, but was pulled for some reason. The story is compelling; I hope they do it justice.
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10-03-2011, 07:24 AM
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"An Absolute Thriller!!" - Grassy wins a six-way photo finish, Saratoga 9th, 8-22-09
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10-03-2011, 10:44 PM
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"An Absolute Thriller!!" - Grassy wins a six-way photo finish, Saratoga 9th, 8-22-09
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10-18-2011, 11:26 AM
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I got tied up on the phone and missed out on Steve's talk about Charismatic and the AntMan -- sounds like he interviewed Drew Mollica -- will have to listen to the archived show later.
DVR is set for tonight.
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10-18-2011, 12:02 PM
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans
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10-18-2011, 02:06 PM
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EDIT: Out of curiosity, I googled "Antley Charismatic Daily News" and found this article from Sunday, June 8, 1999: http://articles.nydailynews.com/1999...c-triple-crown "Long before he could explain how he felt Charismatic "let up a little bit" with an eighth of a mile to go, still in the green and yellow silks he had worn to victory in the Kentucky Derby and Preakness, tears rolled down his track-stained cheeks as his mother silently rubbed his back. "He gave a lot," Antley said of his horse, a brave third in the Belmont Stakes while finishing with two fractures in his left front ankle, a broken cannon bone and a broken sesamoid. "He gave America a lot." Charismatic gave his racing career trying to become the first Triple Crown winner since 1978. He'll never run again. "Hopefully, he'll have a lot of babies for us," Antley said. At the top of the stretch, Antley thought he had it. He didn't know anything was seriously wrong, even when Lemon Drop Kid and Vision and Verse had passed him in the final eighth. He said he rode hard enough, striking Charismatic twice with the whip, to preserve the third-place finish, and as he reached the finish, he felt the horse "dip beneath me." "He was hurt, but he's an athlete and he gave his all," said Antley. " I'm not sure if you read something different, or misremembered "let up a little bit" as "felt something at the top of the stretch," but this is what I found. Though as you said you are certain of your memory, if you find something different, do post it.
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Gentlemen! We're burning daylight! Riders up! -Bill Murray Last edited by GenuineRisk : 10-18-2011 at 02:30 PM.
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10-18-2011, 03:01 PM
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I remember this was the Derby between super horse Worldy Manner, the talented crazy horse named General Challenge
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10-18-2011, 04:27 PM
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Generally Challenged was only a slight favorite because he was coupled with the razor sharp filly Excellent Meeting -- who probably would have attracted as much support as him in the betting -- if not more -- if they were uncoupled. Steven Got Even was bet hard for Zito that year off of an upset win in the Jim Beam/Galleryfurniture.com/Spiral/whatever they call that Turfway Park Stakes.
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10-18-2011, 08:18 PM
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If " Wayne knew he had a secret weapon all along " how come he ran him for a tag?
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
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10-18-2011, 08:46 PM
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It is refreshing to hear the honesty about the ride costing Charismatic the race. Chris was a great rider. That was a horrendous ride.
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
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10-18-2011, 09:32 PM
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I'm not sure what Ron Anderson was babbling about when he was attempting to defend the ride ... the horse ran his race and didn't break down until after the finish line.
If you're taking the position of defending the ride - it's a very simple explanation - the filly Silverbulletday came into that race with form and numbers that were clearly superior to any of Charismatic's male rivals. If Silverbulletday was allowed no pressure on an uncontested lead -- she was almost 100% likely to run to her best numbers. Charismatic was also stretching out off of a very fast paced 9.5 furlong race - and was never that far back in the Derby -- what really made the ride appear to be so terrible after the fact was the dismal way Silverbulletday performed in the final quarter mile after getting all that pressure through very legit fractions.  SILVERBULLETDAY  Was it a terrible ride? In a sense that Charismatic still ran to his good form despite the more forward tactics - and his best challenger fell apart very late from the pressure - the tactics actually worked because they achieved the desired goal in that sense. The problem was two horses (Lemon Drop Kid and Vision And Verse) both made significant improvement over the form they brought into the race. Trying to erase an advantage of your toughest competitior on paper is A LOT different than doing something truly insane and going after a 100/1 shot on paper like Franklin did in '79. That aside -- Antley was one F'ed up mo-fo who needed help.
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