Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Stakes Archive
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 04-20-2014, 02:16 PM
-BT- -BT- is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: 60613
Posts: 2,622
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 View Post
This is silly and uninformed. Just like your signature of a bet I posted 6hrs in advance. Keep up the good work though and Happy Easter.
you ...... really need to stay out of conversations, like ALL conversations.

My point to Revidere was that he's riding quality, exactly. But, he's not winning on these quality mounts, at least he didn't this past weekend at Keeneland and Chuck Town. He's gift wrapped mounts on the best horses, unlike a lot out there. When he doesn't win i think people should be allowed to scrutinize, b/c he get's horse quality like none other out there

-bt-
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 04-20-2014, 05:22 PM
cakes44's Avatar
cakes44 cakes44 is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,744
Default

Obviously the guy can ride as evidenced by being in the HOF. But on a Thursday claimer with a horse that isn't a dead closer or hell-bent on the lead, I can think of 15-18 riders I'd rather have on my bet.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 04-20-2014, 08:16 PM
10 pnt move up's Avatar
10 pnt move up 10 pnt move up is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,745
Default

Ride as little as possible to make as much as possible.......when you can break your neck every time you ride a race it seems like the best possible situation for a rider?

Is the implication that Emollient or Game on Dude lost because of the ride?
__________________
"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"...Voltaire
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 04-20-2014, 08:48 PM
Danzig Danzig is offline
Dee Tee Stables
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The Natural State
Posts: 29,939
Default

Id rather work just on big days...who wouldnt?
__________________
Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all.
Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 04-20-2014, 10:37 PM
casp0555's Avatar
casp0555 casp0555 is offline
Saratoga
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Humble,Texas
Posts: 18,884
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig View Post
Id rather work just on big days...who wouldnt?
maybe less...if I could
__________________
"Wise men talk because they have something to say, fools talk because they have to say something" - Plato
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 04-20-2014, 10:45 PM
Danzig Danzig is offline
Dee Tee Stables
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The Natural State
Posts: 29,939
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by casp0555 View Post
maybe less...if I could


No smith fan here, but he has paid his dues. Let the younger guys get the green horses in racing trim...

Like an old timer electrician told my husband years ago....you take all the calls. I need the rest, you need the experience.
__________________
Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all.
Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 04-20-2014, 11:44 PM
-BT- -BT- is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: 60613
Posts: 2,622
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up View Post
Ride as little as possible to make as much as possible.......when you can break your neck every time you ride a race it seems like the best possible situation for a rider?

Is the implication that Emollient or Game on Dude lost because of the ride?
what are you talking about? are you saying he's riding less to diminish his chances of getting injured?

I didn't implicate anything about his rides on either. I said, it must be nice, to get choice, odds on mounts in big stakes, and have that be your weekend, no other mounts.

He looses on both, and forbid anyone from noticing or making a comment? i didn't know he was untouchable at this site. Zenyatta, Smith.... who's next that people can't offer a comment on

-bt-
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 04-21-2014, 10:01 AM
10 pnt move up's Avatar
10 pnt move up 10 pnt move up is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,745
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by -BT- View Post
what are you talking about? are you saying he's riding less to diminish his chances of getting injured?

I didn't implicate anything about his rides on either. I said, it must be nice, to get choice, odds on mounts in big stakes, and have that be your weekend, no other mounts.

He looses on both, and forbid anyone from noticing or making a comment? i didn't know he was untouchable at this site. Zenyatta, Smith.... who's next that people can't offer a comment on

-bt-

Your comment was so poorly written and with the odds on loss comment what would you expect?

There is no doubt statistically that riding more increases your chance of getting hurt. Why ride a 20 mdn claimer at 1/5 if you are Mike, Gary, or any "made" rider? So yes when you dont see those guys in those races its by choice with many reasons.
__________________
"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"...Voltaire
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 04-21-2014, 07:50 PM
-BT- -BT- is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: 60613
Posts: 2,622
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up View Post
Your comment was so poorly written and with the odds on loss comment what would you expect?

There is no doubt statistically that riding more increases your chance of getting hurt. Why ride a 20 mdn claimer at 1/5 if you are Mike, Gary, or any "made" rider? So yes when you dont see those guys in those races its by choice with many reasons.
sorry i couldn't articulate my thoughts to you and your standards.

and, you certainly are wowing me with statistic like jockeys who ride less are less likely to get injured.

again, my point is the guy had two choice mounts this weekend, lost them both.....nobody is allowed to bring it up?

-bt-
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 04-22-2014, 08:40 AM
bare it all's Avatar
bare it all bare it all is offline
Louisiana Downs
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 336
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by -BT- View Post
again, my point is the guy had two choice mounts this weekend, lost them both.....nobody is allowed to bring it up?

-bt-
Who would you put up on them instead? Emollient just didn't have it - that other pace horse kept on and won. I'm not sure the ride on her cost her the win. She just got beat. With Game On Dude - that horse just doesn't tend to win unless he's uncontested for the lead. Now the speed that went with him killed themselves and set it up for someone to come pick up the pieces. I'm not a smith fan myself but I think these were fair losses. Horses are overhyped and get bet accordingly.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 04-22-2014, 10:02 AM
10 pnt move up's Avatar
10 pnt move up 10 pnt move up is offline
Oriental Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,745
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bare it all View Post
Who would you put up on them instead? Emollient just didn't have it - that other pace horse kept on and won. I'm not sure the ride on her cost her the win. She just got beat. With Game On Dude - that horse just doesn't tend to win unless he's uncontested for the lead. Now the speed that went with him killed themselves and set it up for someone to come pick up the pieces. I'm not a smith fan myself but I think these were fair losses. Horses are overhyped and get bet accordingly.
jockeys are incredibly overrated.
__________________
"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"...Voltaire
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 04-22-2014, 07:47 PM
helicopter11
 
Posts: n/a
Default

There is a reason why Mike Smith gets all the choice mounts. He wins big on big days. When he starts consistently losing, the better mounts will be lost for him as well.

Unlike other professional athletes, jockeys dont have contracts and they do not automatically get the best mounts because of a multi-year contracts they signed with a trainer or owner. IF you can prove you can win the big races consistently, the calls will come your way. Plain and simple.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 04-22-2014, 08:20 PM
Danzig Danzig is offline
Dee Tee Stables
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The Natural State
Posts: 29,939
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up View Post
jockeys are incredibly overrated.
__________________
Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all.
Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 04-22-2014, 08:21 PM
Danzig Danzig is offline
Dee Tee Stables
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The Natural State
Posts: 29,939
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by -BT- View Post
sorry i couldn't articulate my thoughts to you and your standards.

and, you certainly are wowing me with statistic like jockeys who ride less are less likely to get injured.

again, my point is the guy had two choice mounts this weekend, lost them both.....nobody is allowed to bring it up?

-bt-
well...

but do you really think that both lost because of the ride? that it was smiths fault they lost? what jockey would have won with them, and how do you know that?
horses aren't robots. somedays are better than others.
__________________
Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all.
Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:52 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.