5/2 (CD): Kentucky Derby (G1) - Page 10

King Glorious · #**181** 05-02-2009, 08:33 PM

Pioneer showed well for himself despite some people absolutely insisting that he couldn't run on dirt (and calling those who didn't write him off like they did idiots).

The California form held up pretty good.

Couldn't have picked that winner with 1000 tries. I wouldn't have ever put him in the super.

Musket Man will win some good races this year.

If this winner was owned by the same guy that owns Rachel Alexandra, he wouldn't have even been in the race since he says the TC is a showcase for stallions and Mine that Bird is a gelding.

Danzig · #**182** 05-02-2009, 08:35 PM

from drf:

Woolley (the derby winning trainer) had won with 1 of 32 starters this year before Saturday.

2Hot4TV · #**183** 05-02-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

from drf:

Woolley (the derby winning trainer) had won with 1 of 32 starters this year before Saturday.

I guess we will remember his name now...... Hell I love this game and cant remember who trained the winners in the last three years.

cakes44 · #**184** 05-02-2009, 08:50 PM

Hard to see the Sunland Derby not getting Grade III status next year now. That will throw the preps of some horses for a loop.

Danzig · #**185** 05-02-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

I guess we will remember his name now...... Hell I love this game and cant remember who trained the winners in the last three years.

how can you forget that oh so lovable warm and fuzzy guy from last year?

MaTH716 · #**186** 05-02-2009, 08:51 PM

At least Monmouth park won't have to create a special race for him like they did for Big Brown last year. They run 30k claimers at least twice a week there.

Danzig · #**187** 05-02-2009, 09:27 PM

everyone who didn't want POTN because of jon whites incessant praise needs to send mine that birds connections a thank you card.

freddymo · #**188** 05-02-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

At least Monmouth park won't have to create a special race for him like they did for Big Brown last year. They run 30k claimers at least twice a week there.

Post of the year

SCUDSBROTHER · #**189** 05-02-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

everyone who didn't want POTN because of jon whites incessant praise needs to send mine that birds connections a thank you card.

Andy's already thanked MYNAH BIRD publicly, and no telling what he would do for the horse privately. Who has your injured- pawed IWR beaten? Nobody? Where did the horses he beat finish in the Derby? Nowhere...IWR has good figures at 1 track, and beat nobody in the process. He got great figures at that track, because, well, you've got the figure makers living there. Big Surprise. Tell me who that IWR has beaten. He has good figures from biased figure-makers. So what. W BERNIE, or Atomic do anything in the Derby to justify the figs they got in the WOOD? NO!! All signs point to POTN's race at HWD, (and the Lewis at ANITA) being given low figures due to bias. Soon as Clem left town he got better figs. When IWR left town his figs went thru the roof(even though he beat nothing at all last time.) Then POTN beats Clem AGAIN, and beats the Illinois Derby Winner(both were supposed to be faster on dirt than POTN.) All signs point to him being atleast 2nd or 3rd best in his class. So, you better start bitching about the whole class of 3 year olds now. Would make more sense than trying to make fun of a horse who is consistently running well at 4 different tracks(turf, synthetic, and dirt.) He's not flashy, but he isn't the dog(or "joke") you've consistently portrayed him to be.

westcoastinvader · #**190** 05-02-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44

Hard to see the Sunland Derby not getting Grade III status next year now. That will throw the preps of some horses for a loop.

I guess between Peppers Pride and Mine that Bird, New Mexico racing might get a little more respect, eh?

Seriously, it is pretty cool that the often dissed here New Mexico's Peppers Pride leaves the all time unbeaten mark at 19 within five months of another New Mexico racing connection winning the Kentucky Derby....easily.

Like it or not, it happened.

Travis Stone · #**191** 05-02-2009, 10:53 PM

Hold Me Back's backstretch move was a Derby winning move... a few furlongs early.

ninetoone · #**192** 05-02-2009, 10:54 PM

I thought for sure Papa Clem was going to win at the top of the stretch.

Danzig · #**193** 05-02-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Andy's already thanked MYNAH BIRD publicly, and no telling what he would do for the horse privately. Who has your injured- pawed IWR beaten? Nobody? Where did the horses he beat finish in the Derby? Nowhere...IWR has good figures at 1 track, and beat nobody in the process. He got great figures at that track, because, well, you've got the figure makers living there. Big Surprise. Tell me who that IWR has beaten. He has good figures from biased figure-makers. So what. W BERNIE, or Atomic do anything in the Derby to justify the figs they got in the WOOD? NO!! All signs point to POTN's race at HWD, (and the Lewis at ANITA) being given low figures due to bias. Soon as Clem left town he got better figs. When IWR left town his figs went thru the roof(even though he beat nothing at all last time.) Then POTN beats Clem AGAIN, and beats the Illinois Derby Winner(both were supposed to be faster on dirt than POTN.) All signs point to him being atleast 2nd or 3rd best in his class. So, you better start bitching about the whole class of 3 year olds now. Would make more sense than trying to make fun of a horse who is consistently running well at 4 different tracks(turf, synthetic, and dirt.) He's not flashy, but he isn't the dog(or "joke") you've consistently portrayed him to be.

i wasn't an IWR 'fan'. but i did think he had the best shot today.
i didn't dog POTN either. i'd bet him at santa anita any day of the week.

SCUDSBROTHER · #**194** 05-02-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Hold Me Back's backstretch move was a Derby winning move... a few furlongs early.

Isn't that what he did in the Remsen?

Danzig · #**195** 05-02-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Isn't that what he did in the Remsen?

i posted the other day that mott didn't like him on dirt, and pointed to his remsen as the reason why....people still picked him.

Travis Stone · #**196** 05-02-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i posted the other day that mott didn't like him on dirt, and pointed to his remsen as the reason why....people still picked him.

What?! The Remsen was an okay effort all things considered. And for a horse who didn't like the dirt, he certainly picked off plenty of horses going down the backstretch with no problem.

Travis Stone · #**197** 05-02-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Isn't that what he did in the Remsen?

Fair point, and true. He did middle move a bit there... but today's was more pronounced in my opinion. The inside run down the backstretch never seems to work in the Derby.

Danzig · #**198** 05-02-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

What?! The Remsen was an okay effort all things considered. And for a horse who didn't like the dirt, he certainly picked off plenty of horses going down the backstretch with no problem.

then take it up with mott, who said after hold me backs first start this year that he wanted to keep him on syns, that he didn't want to put him back on dirt. that he 'didn't have a straw in his path' in the remsen where he ran sixth and felt the horse didn't like dirt. it's in bloodhorse, look it up. i posted what mott said as a warning to those picking him for today. if the trainer doesn't like him on natural, why would anyone else?

Travis Stone · #**199** 05-02-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

then take it up with mott, who said after hold me backs first start this year that he wanted to keep him on syns, that he didn't want to put him back on dirt. that he 'didn't have a straw in his path' in the remsen where he ran sixth and felt the horse didn't like dirt. it's in bloodhorse, look it up. i posted what mott said as a warning to those picking him for today. if the trainer doesn't like him on natural, why would anyone else?

I just sent him a PM. Hopefully he responds and I'll let you know what he says.

The chart does a good job of describing his performance... "make a good long run along the inside down the backside."

If they time that move better, he'll win some races.

SCUDSBROTHER · #**200** 05-02-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i wasn't an IWR 'fan'. but i did think he had the best shot today.
i didn't dog POTN either. I'd bet him at Santa Anita any day of the week.

POTN has now beaten the winner of the Illinois Derby, Arkansas Derby(beat him on syn n' dirt by a remarkably similar distance,) Blue Grass, Lands End, Louisiana Derby, U.A.E. Derby, Tampa Bay Derby, and he's beaten the horse who ran a decent 2nd in the Florida Derby. Oh, he also beat the winner of the Gotham and Wood Memorial. He beat that individual twice. So, I don't think he deserves all that's been said about him (good by J White, nor bad by the cavalry.) Today's race was decent. It did appear one horse liked it more than the others. I mean he showed up. He didn't just do nothing (like the favorite etc.) Gomez made the right choice, too. He went with the more seasoned horse, and the other one tripped on his own . Matter of fact, all 3 of the horses behind the Derby winner probably deserve more credit than they get, because all three of them show up and give 100% each race. Baffert's had this horse for 5 races. He's won two Grade 1 races. He's won two Grade 2 races. Then he ran 2nd in the biggest 3 year old race in the World(when given a wet dirt track that who knows whether any of them particularly liked.) So, he's handled turf, dirt, and synthetics. If you run 2nd in the marquee Grade 1 race for 3year olds (on dirt,) then it seems childish for grown people to call you "Pioneer of Nothing."