U.S. Open

[Gander]

In Phil's defense, at least he made putts early on that gave him a relaistic chance to blow the tournament, which he indeed did. Tiger putted so bad today and you cant say those werent "clutch putts". Thats BS. They all were. Had he made half of the 4 or 5 I saw him miss, the end result of the tournament may have been very different. And had he had the Eagle like he usually gets in the final round of majors he wins or at least gets very close to winning, I think he would have won. But he "made nothing" today. Call it what you will, but one might argue that Tiger choked as much as Phil did today.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Gander

In Phil's defense, at least he made putts early on that gave him a relaistic chance to blow the tournament, which he indeed did. Tiger putted so bad today and you cant say those werent "clutch putts". Thats BS. They all were. Had he made half of the 4 or 5 I saw him miss, the end result of the tournament may have been very different. And had he had the Eagle like he usually gets in the final round of majors he wins or at least gets very close to winning, I think he would have won. But he "made nothing" today. Call it what you will, but one might argue that Tiger choked as much as Phil did today.

I agree totally. Tiger had a great shot to put himself in the clubhouse at 2 or 3 under which would have totally changed the way those guys played down the stretch. And had he put himself in at 4 under he probably wins.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Gander

In Phil's defense, at least he made putts early on that gave him a relaistic chance to blow the tournament, which he indeed did. Tiger putted so bad today and you cant say those werent "clutch putts". Thats BS. They all were. Had he made half of the 4 or 5 I saw him miss, the end result of the tournament may have been very different. And had he had the Eagle like he usually gets in the final round of majors he wins or at least gets very close to winning, I think he would have won. But he "made nothing" today. Call it what you will, but one might argue that Tiger choked as much as Phil did today.

listen tiger fans whether they like it or not still have to come to grips that he hasn't won a major when not leading after 3 rounds

that being said he is 14/14 when he has the lead after 3 rounds in a major and that is probably the greatest achievement in golf in and of itself .....they all have lost with leads after 3 rounds - jones, hogan ,snead , nelson, palmer , nicklaus, trevino , player - tiger has never lost 14/14 is simply remarkable

[Gander]

Originally Posted by gales0678

listen tiger fans whether they like it or not still have to come to grips that he hasn't won a major when not leading after 3 rounds

that being said he is 14/14 when he has the lead after 3 rounds in a major and that is probably the greatest achievement in golf in and of itself .....they all have lost with leads after 3 rounds - jones, hogan ,snead , nelson, palmer , nicklaus, trevino , player - tiger has never lost 14/14 is simply remarkable

True. And as the stigma of Phil blowing Majors on the last nine holes continues to grow, so too does the predictablitiy of Tiger Wood's game.
Hes either all or nothing which is why he is such a great frontrunner.

Reminds me of that damn horse who won yesterday's 8th at Belmont- Greenspirit. Give the horse an easy lead and hes damn near 100% sure to win. Tiger is to golf as what Greenspirit is to horse racing.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Gander

True. And as the stigma of Phil blowing Majors on the last nine holes continues to grow, so too does the predictablitiy of Tiger Wood's game.
Hes either all or nothing which is why he is such a great frontrunner.

Reminds me of that damn horse who won yesterday's 8th at Belmont- Greenspirit. Give the horse an easy lead and hes damn near 100% sure to win. Tiger is to golf as what Greenspirit is to horse racing.

still some of his wins were closee timmy , he had an epic battle with bob may , bob really was never heard from again , i personally think tiger wore out duval , he beat dimarco in sudden death at the masters , so while he enjoyed some big wins on big leads , when he got looked in the eye he never let them pass him in deep stretch

[Gander]

Originally Posted by gales0678

still some of his wins were closee timmy , he had an epic battle with bob may , bob really was never heard from again , i personally think tiger wore out duval , he beat dimarco in sudden death at the masters , so while he enjoyed some big wins on big leads , when he got looked in the eye he never let them pass him in deep stretch

Okay, so hes a lot better than Greenspirit.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

still some of his wins were closee timmy , he had an epic battle with bob may , bob really was never heard from again , i personally think tiger wore out duval , he beat dimarco in sudden death at the masters , so while he enjoyed some big wins on big leads , when he got looked in the eye he never let them pass him in deep stretch

Really though, the 2001 Masters and 2006 British are the only times he's faced a close lead through three rounds with big names right behind him and come out to shoot sub 70 and win the tournament. All the others were blowouts, facing overmatched golfers, or shooting in the 70s and still holding on to win. Only twice has he elevated his game in the final round when faced with adversity.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Gander

In Phil's defense, at least he made putts early on that gave him a relaistic chance to blow the tournament, which he indeed did. Tiger putted so bad today and you cant say those werent "clutch putts". Thats BS. They all were. Had he made half of the 4 or 5 I saw him miss, the end result of the tournament may have been very different. And had he had the Eagle like he usually gets in the final round of majors he wins or at least gets very close to winning, I think he would have won. But he "made nothing" today. Call it what you will, but one might argue that Tiger choked as much as Phil did today.

I dont think Tiger choked... he really doesnt have it in him to choke. But he putted horribly.. not just today but all week. Saturday I swear every hole he had a 8 to 25 ft birdie putt on every stinkin hole and he couldnt make a thing. It was strange...

The commentator (which annoys the hell out of me) made an interesting point, though it may have been 100% BS.. he said Tiger has a lot of trouble with slow greens and also when he has a speed down for the greens (in practice rounds) than the greens slow up (from all the rain), he has difficulty making adjustments (which was visible all week he was leaving putts short).

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Gander

True. And as the stigma of Phil blowing Majors on the last nine holes continues to grow, so too does the predictablitiy of Tiger Wood's game.
Hes either all or nothing which is why he is such a great frontrunner.

Reminds me of that damn horse who won yesterday's 8th at Belmont- Greenspirit. Give the horse an easy lead and hes damn near 100% sure to win. Tiger is to golf as what Greenspirit is to horse racing.

its still so funny that Tiger's "nothing" game leads to 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, place finishes in basically every event.

Tiger's "C" game is still in the top 5 of all golfers.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Really though, the 2001 Masters and 2006 British are the only times he's faced a close lead through three rounds with big names right behind him and come out to shoot sub 70 and win the tournament. All the others were blowouts, facing overmatched golfers, or shooting in the 70s and still holding on to win. Only twice has he elevated his game in the final round when faced with adversity.

not only is this wrong, but what is it supposed to mean or prove? except nothing?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

not only is this wrong, but what is it supposed to mean or prove? except nothing?

What exactly is wrong about it? And all it means is that Gales analogy that he's been looked in the eye by all these great golfers in the stretch and prevailed is really only true in two of his Majors.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

What exactly is wrong about it? And all it means is that Gales analogy that he's been looked in the eye by all these great golfers in the stretch and prevailed is really only true in two of his Majors.

SO the other 12 majors we can say he stared the whole field in the eye over 72 holes and just simply beat their asses into the ground

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by GPK

SO the other 12 majors we can say he stared the whole field in the eye over 72 holes and just simply beat their asses into the ground

Yeah, pretty much 54 hole domination and then no one can catch him from behind on Sunday.

[slotdirt]

Anybody who thinks Tiger doesn't or can't choke never watched any of the like 37 Ryder Cup matches where he's completely come up empty in the clutch.

[GPK]

I just always think this "never won from behind" in a major is just the stupidest of all arguments.

A win, is a win, is a win. If someone were to ask Jack.."Hey Jack, what would you think about winning all 18 majors from on the lead or tied for the lead after 54 holes?"

I bet he would smile and say "I wish I would have won 19 majors that way"

Anyone that thinks that Tiger not winning a major from behind somehow diminishes his 14 majors or makes him less of a player is simply fooling themselves.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Anybody who thinks Tiger doesn't or can't choke never watched any of the like 37 Ryder Cup matches where he's completely come up empty in the clutch.

Completely different ballgame John. When you have to rely upon a partner in 4 out of the 5 matches during the Ryder Cup...it's completely different.

I think his singles record in the Ryder Cup speaks for itself though.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by GPK

Anyone that thinks that Tiger not winning a major from behind somehow diminishes his 14 majors or makes him less of a player is simply fooling themselves.

Ultimately it and a Grand Slam are the only things he has yet to accomplish. Tiger's legacy is stamped already as an all time great and likely the greatest of all time. But winning 16 more majors wouldn't do as much to elevate him to that next level of legendary status as a dramatic come from behind Sunday win would. That is what everyone is waiting for, the day Tiger goes from great to legendary.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Ultimately it and a Grand Slam are the only things he has yet to accomplish. Tiger's legacy is stamped already as an all time great and likely the greatest of all time. But winning 16 more majors wouldn't do as much to elevate him to that next level of legendary status as a dramatic come from behind Sunday win would. That is what everyone is waiting for, the day Tiger goes from great to legendary.

So his body of work isn't complete until he wins one from behind? I don't see why it matters so much.

NT

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Ultimately it and a Grand Slam are the only things he has yet to accomplish. Tiger's legacy is stamped already as an all time great and likely the greatest of all time. But winning 16 more majors wouldn't do as much to elevate him to that next level of legendary status as a dramatic come from behind Sunday win would. That is what everyone is waiting for, the day Tiger goes from great to legendary.

Tiger is beyond legendary. Only player to hold all four modern major trophies at the same time.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

So his body of work isn't complete until he wins one from behind? I don't see why it matters so much.

NT

So far he has been a mere mortal. People want to see him make that dramatic come from behind victory that puts him in demigod territory where currently only Michael Jordan resides.