obama demands vote on health care..

[Danzig]

here nascar:

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/mis...-military-pay/

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

here nascar:

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/mis...-military-pay/

a noble effort, but there is no way he reads past the first Q & A

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

a noble effort, but there is no way he reads past the first Q & A

Whatever. I have never ever trashed your statements and your trashing me? Have fun when you burn in hell.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

here nascar:

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/mis...-military-pay/

Nice bit of info. Historically the military and retirees get better pay raises when a Republican is in office. This is another reason why I will only vote Republican from now on in any election.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Nice bit of info. Historically the military and retirees get better pay raises when a Republican is in office. This is another reason why I will only vote Republican from now on in any election.

According to who/what? Facts, my friend, not conjecture.

In truth, Clinton reversed a Reagan policy which limited military raises to below the average private sector raises in order to trim money off the Defense Budget (in place from 1980-1998). Due to this policy, the pay gap rose to a record of 13.5 percent. In FY2000 the difference was down to 2.9% and remains in that range now.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by philcski

According to who/what? Facts, my friend, not conjecture.

In truth, Clinton reversed a Reagan policy which limited military raises to below the average private sector raises in order to trim money off the Defense Budget (in place from 1980-1998). Due to this policy, the pay gap rose to a record of 13.5 percent. In FY2000 the difference was down to 2.9% and remains in that range now.

Have you served in the military? If you havent you should shut your mouth up. People who have served in the military know what political party treats them better. Its great to know that my insurance wont be affected by this worthless bill. To the rest enjoy your Medicaid/Medicare. I do feel for the people with pre existing conditions. My son has cerebral palsy and has had numerous surgeries done at Shriner's. Anyone wants a dose of reality go to a Shriner's. My wife has Crohn's, Celiac, and seizures. She doesnt work because of that. Yet this worthless government we have says she can work part time. The illegals get everything they want. We need to shut our borders down and take control of this country instead of letting worthless illegals in who get free everything and dont pay taxes. This applies to both Democrats and Republicans. If I was a doctor and an illegal was in labor I would make sure im on the Mexican side of the border. Why should this country have to deal with another burden on the tax payer's.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Have you served in the military? If you havent you should shut your mouth up. People who have served in the military know what political party treats them better.

I have not served in the military.

However, if you're going to make decisions based on your service, get your facts straight- but clearly you don't know how to do that.

What did you do in the service?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Have you served in the military? If you havent you should shut your mouth up. People who have served in the military know what political party treats them better. Its great to know that my insurance wont be affected by this worthless bill. To the rest enjoy your Medicaid/Medicare. I do feel for the people with pre existing conditions. My son has cerebral palsy and has had numerous surgeries done at Shriner's. Anyone wants a dose of reality go to a Shriner's. My wife has Crohn's, Celiac, and seizures. She doesnt work because of that. Yet this worthless government we have says she can work part time. The illegals get everything they want. We need to shut our borders down and take control of this country instead of letting worthless illegals in who get free everything and dont pay taxes. This applies to both Democrats and Republicans. If I was a doctor and an illegal was in labor I would make sure im on the Mexican side of the border. Why should this country have to deal with another burden on the tax payer's.

the raises aren't set by what party is in charge:

U.S. Code dictates a rather complex equation for military pay raises, based on the Employment Cost Index, a measure compiled by the Bureau of Labor Statistics to track the costs of labor for businesses. Military pay increases by "the percentage (rounded to the nearest one-tenth of one percent) by which the ECI for the base quarter of the year before the preceding year exceeds the ECI for the base quarter of the second year before the preceding calendar year (if at all)." Specifically, the code states, that’s the ECI for wages and salaries of private industry workers.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by philcski

I have not served in the military.

However, if you're going to make decisions based on your service, get your facts straight- but clearly you don't know how to do that.

What did you do in the service?

I was in the Navy and I enjoyed every moment of it. My job was aircraft and engine logbooks.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the raises aren't set by what party is in charge:

U.S. Code dictates a rather complex equation for military pay raises, based on the Employment Cost Index, a measure compiled by the Bureau of Labor Statistics to track the costs of labor for businesses. Military pay increases by "the percentage (rounded to the nearest one-tenth of one percent) by which the ECI for the base quarter of the year before the preceding year exceeds the ECI for the base quarter of the second year before the preceding calendar year (if at all)." Specifically, the code states, that’s the ECI for wages and salaries of private industry workers.

If thats the case then why when a Republican is in office the pay raises are higher than when a Democrat is in office. I did 20 years in the Navy you would think I would know what im talking about. Considering this was my pay we are talking about.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

If thats the case then why when a Republican is in office the pay raises are higher than when a Democrat is in office. I did 20 years in the Navy you would think I would know what im talking about. Considering this was my pay we are talking about.

maybe the cost of living went up those years? that's what they base the raises on.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by philcski

According to who/what? Facts, my friend, not conjecture.

In truth, Clinton reversed a Reagan policy which limited military raises to below the average private sector raises in order to trim money off the Defense Budget (in place from 1980-1998). Due to this policy, the pay gap rose to a record of 13.5 percent. In FY2000 the difference was down to 2.9% and remains in that range now.

i've trashed that nascar guy before. hes a real narrow thinker. but your facts are correct. the republicans talk great about the military but the money shows different. i DID serve in the navy during the time you are talking about and your analysis is correct. in 1981 they started giving us crumbs for raises, by 83 i was out. i made triple working for a civilian contractor doing almost the same work FOR the navy. this nascar guy is one of those, the republicans are great and the other side sucks kind of people. when anyone with half a brain can see both sides have their hand in this mess we are in! 42% registered independants.....yes! when it goes over 50% my faith will be restored in the intellagence of this country.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

If thats the case then why when a Republican is in office the pay raises are higher than when a Democrat is in office. I did 20 years in the Navy you would think I would know what im talking about. Considering this was my pay we are talking about.

ECI Data from the last 20 years (source: bls.gov):
1990 4.0 R
1991 3.7 R
1992 2.6 D
1993 3.0 D
1994 2.8 D
1995 2.8 D
1996 3.5 D
1997 3.9 D
1998 3.9 D
1999 3.6 D
2000 3.8 D
2001 3.7 R
2002 2.8 R
2003 2.6 R
2004 2.5 R
2005 2.6 R
2006 3.2 R
2007 3.4 R
2008 2.7 R
2009 1.5 D

Average for Democrat in office: 3.14%
Average for Republican in office: 3.12%

Statistically insignificant difference.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i've trashed that nascar guy before. hes a real narrow thinker. but your facts are correct. the republicans talk great about the military but the money shows different. i DID serve in the navy during the time you are talking about and your analysis is correct. in 1981 they started giving us crumbs for raises, by 83 i was out. i made triple working for a civilian contractor doing almost the same work FOR the navy. this nascar guy is one of those, the republicans are great and the other side sucks kind of people. when anyone with half a brain can see both sides have their hand in this mess we are in! 42% registered independants.....yes! when it goes over 50% my faith will be restored in the intellagence of this country.

When have I ever said that the Republicans are perfect? No party is perfect, everyone of them have thier quirks about them.

[randallscott35]

"I'm 63 and I'm Tired"
by Robert A. Hall

I'm 63. Except for one semester in college when jobs were scarce and a six-month period when I was between jobs, but job-hunting every day, I've worked, hard, since I was 18. Despite some health challenges, I still put in 50-hour weeks, and haven't called in sick in seven or eight years. I make a good salary, but I didn't inherit my job or my income, and I worked to get where I am. Given the economy, there's no retirement in sight, and I'm tired. Very tired.
I'm tired of being told that I have to "spread the wealth" to people who don't have my work ethic. I'm tired of being told the government will take the money I earned, by force if necessary, and give it to people too lazy to earn it.
I'm tired of being told that I have to pay more taxes to "keep people in their homes." Sure, if they lost their jobs or got sick, I'm willing to help. But if they bought McMansions at three times the price of our paid-off, $250,000 condo, on one-third of my salary, then let the left-wing Congress-critters who passed Fannie and Freddie and the Community Reinvestment Act that created the bubble help them with their own money.
I'm tired of being told how bad America is by left-wing millionaires like Michael Moore, George Soros and Hollywood Entertainers who live in luxury because of the opportunities America offers. In thirty years, if they get their way, the United States will have the economy of Zimbabwe , the freedom of the press of China , the crime and violence of Mexico , the tolerance for Christian people of Iran , and the freedom of speech of Venezuela .
I'm tired of being told that Islam is a "Religion of Peace," when every day I can read dozens of stories of Muslim men killing their sisters, wives and daughters for their family "honor"; of Muslims rioting over some slight offense; of Muslims murdering Christian and Jews because they aren't "believers"; of Muslims burning schools for girls; of Muslims stoning teenage rape victims to death for "adultery"; of Muslims mutilating the genitals of little girls; all in the name of Allah, because the Qur'an and Shari'a law tells them to.
I'm tired of being told that "race doesn't matter" in the post-racial world of Obama, when it's all that matters in affirmative action jobs, lower college admission and graduation standards for minorities (harming them the most), government contract set-asides, tolerance for the ghetto culture of violence and fatherless children that hurts minorities more than anyone, and in the appointment of U.S. Senators from Illinois .
I think it's very cool that we have a black president and that a black child is doing her homework at the desk where Lincoln wrote the Emancipation Proclamation. I just wish the black president was Condi Rice, or someone who believes more in freedom and the individual and less arrogantly of an all-knowing government.
I'm tired of a news media that thinks Bush's fundraising and inaugural expenses were obscene, but that think Obama's, at triple the cost, were wonderful; that thinks Bush exercising daily was a waste of presidential time, but Obama exercising is a great example for the public to control weight and stress; that picked over every line of Bush's military records, but never demanded that Kerry release his; that slammed Palin, with two years as governor, for being too inexperienced for VP, but touted Obama with three years as senator as potentially the best president ever. Wonder why people are dropping their subscriptions or switching to Fox News? Get a clue. I didn't vote for Bush in 2000, but the media and Kerry drove me to his camp in 2004.
I'm tired of being told that out of "tolerance for other cultures" we must let Saudi Arabia use our oil money to fund mosques and madrassa Islamic schools to preach hate in America , while no American group is allowed to fund a church, synagogue or religious school in Saudi Arabia to teach love and tolerance.
I'm tired of being told I must lower my living standard to fight global warming, which no one is allowed to debate. My wife and I live in a two-bedroom apartment and carpool together five miles to our jobs. We also own a three-bedroom condo where our daughter and granddaughter live. Our carbon footprint is about 5% of Al Gore's, and if you're greener than Gore, you're green enough.
I'm tired of being told that drug addicts have a disease, and I must help support and treat them, and pay for the damage they do. Did a giant germ rush out of a dark alley, grab them, and stuff white powder up their noses while they tried to fight it off? I don't think Gay people choose to be Gay, but I damn sure think druggies chose to take drugs. And I'm tired of harassment from cool people treating me like a freak when I tell them I never tried marijuana.
I'm tired of illegal aliens being called "undocumented workers," especially the ones who aren't working, but are living on welfare or crime. What's next? Calling drug dealers, "Undocumented Pharmacists"? And, no, I'm not against Hispanics. Most of them are Catholic, and it's been a few hundred years since Catholics wanted to kill me for my religion. I'm willing to fast track for citizenship any Hispanic person, who can speak English, doesn't have a criminal record and who is self-supporting without family on welfare, or who serves honorably for three years in our military.... Those are the citizens we need.
I'm tired of latte liberals and journalists, who would never wear the uniform of the Republic themselves, or let their entitlement-handicapped kids near a recruiting station, trashing our military. They and their kids can sit at home, never having to make split-second decisions under life and death circumstances, and bad mouth better people than themselves. Do bad things happen in war? You bet. Do our troops sometimes misbehave? Sure. Does this compare with the atrocities that were the policy of our enemies for the last fifty years and still are? Not even close. So here's the deal. I'll let myself be subjected to all the humiliation and abuse that was heaped on terrorists at Abu Ghraib or Gitmo, and the critics can let themselves be subject to captivity by the Muslims, who tortured and beheaded Daniel Pearl in Pakistan, or the Muslims who tortured and murdered Marine Lt. Col. William Higgins in Lebanon, or the Muslims who ran the blood-spattered Al Qaeda torture rooms our troops found in Iraq, or the Muslims who cut off the heads of schoolgirls in Indonesia, because the girls were Christian. Then we'll compare notes. British and American soldiers are the only troops in history that civilians came to for help and handouts, instead of hiding from in fear.
I'm tired of people telling me that their party has a corner on virtue and the other party has a corner on corruption. Read the papers; bums are bipartisan. And I'm tired of people telling me we need bipartisanship. I live in Illinois , where the "Illinois Combine" of Democrats has worked to loot the public for years. Not to mention the tax cheats in Obama's cabinet.
I'm tired of hearing wealthy athletes, entertainers and politicians of both parties talking about innocent mistakes, stupid mistakes or youthful mistakes, when we all know they think their only mistake was getting caught. I'm tired of people with a sense of entitlement, rich or poor.
Speaking of poor, I'm tired of hearing people with air-conditioned homes, color TVs and two cars called poor. The majority of Americans didn't have that in 1970, but we didn't know we were "poor." The poverty pimps have to keep changing the definition of poor to keep the dollars flowing.
I'm real tired of people who don't take responsibility for their lives and actions. I'm tired of hearing them blame the government, or discrimination or big-whatever for their problems.
Yes, I'm damn tired. But I'm also glad to be 63. Because, mostly, I'm not going to have to see the world these people are making. I'm just sorry for my granddaughter.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i've trashed that nascar guy before. hes a real narrow thinker. but your facts are correct. the republicans talk great about the military but the money shows different. i DID serve in the navy during the time you are talking about and your analysis is correct. in 1981 they started giving us crumbs for raises, by 83 i was out. i made triple working for a civilian contractor doing almost the same work FOR the navy. this nascar guy is one of those, the republicans are great and the other side sucks kind of people. when anyone with half a brain can see both sides have their hand in this mess we are in! 42% registered independants.....yes! when it goes over 50% my faith will be restored in the intellagence of this country.

I am a registered independent as well, and do my very best to select the best candidate in each election I vote on. I haven't voted in KY yet but in NY governor I voted for a Republican 2X (Pataki) and a Dem 1X (Spitzer).

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

If thats the case then why when a Republican is in office the pay raises are higher than when a Democrat is in office. I did 20 years in the Navy you would think I would know what im talking about. Considering this was my pay we are talking about.

except you keep coming on here to prove otherwise.

[Cannon Shell]

Nascar take the standing 8 count here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIzivCJ9pzU

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Nascar take the standing 8 count here.

He's more like Glass Joe in Mike Tyson's Punch Out than Ali vs. Frazier.