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Old 11-19-2010, 04:26 PM
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Pete is a vastly underrated poster here. He's so modest - I have to do his self promo for him.
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Old 11-19-2010, 04:27 PM
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There typically is very little to no betting value in those type of impressive maiden winners.

The real value comes when you can identify very underrated horses who are soundly beaten in lesser races - and don't have the best of forms going in.

There was a horse racing blog I believe called 'Trader Pete's Boom Boom Room' that was probably the best racing Blog in the land for all of the three or four days it was running.

Trader Pete did a single 'Horses to Watch' list after Saratoga's meet concluded. He only put one horse exiting a stakes race on the list .. Big Drama - who was beaten double digit lengths in the King's Bishop.




Trader Pete put only a single 2-year-old on his watch list... a horse named Eightyfive in a Fifty who was 3rd at 27/1 odds in a maiden race in his most recent race.



Trader Pete made two nice calls - because 85ina50 won his next start by 19 lengths and Big Drama was given a layoff and returned to win the BC Sprint the following year.

Obviously - I just want to pat my buddy StoneGossard in the back - and mention his fine old site. http://traderpete.blogspot.com/

But basically, there is little value in impressive maiden winners. There's a lot more with soundly beaten horses who run better than people think.
There was another blogger that was really good. I can't remember his name. He would come up with a play practically every day. In the first year he did it, he gave out around 160 plays (just betting to win or sometimes win and place) and the guy had an ROI for the year of +15%.

The next year he came up with even more plays. He came up with over 450 plays and his ROI was +6% that year. He had a pretty good following on the site but he finally stopped posting because he was afraid that he was costing himself money by giving out the plays to people who may be betting into the pools.
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Old 11-19-2010, 04:30 PM
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He had a pretty good following on the site but he finally shut it down because he was afraid that he was costing himself money by giving out the plays to people who may be betting into the pools.
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Old 11-19-2010, 04:37 PM
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If Rupert thinks he's going to win a battle of bragging...he really doesn't know who he is dealing with.
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Old 11-19-2010, 04:38 PM
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If Rupert thinks he's going to win a battle of bragging...he really doesn't know who he is dealing with.
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Old 11-19-2010, 04:53 PM
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If Rupert thinks he's going to win a battle of bragging...he really doesn't know who he is dealing with.
Someone sent me a text an hour ago saying "Getting involved in a redboarding battle about first-time starters with DrugS is like getting involved in a land war with Asia. You'll never win"

People have me so wrong.
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Old 11-19-2010, 04:59 PM
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Someone sent me a text an hour ago saying "Getting involved in a redboarding battle about first-time starters with DrugS is like getting involved in a land war with Asia. You'll never win"

People have me so wrong.
That's pretty funny.
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Old 11-19-2010, 06:57 PM
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Someone sent me a text an hour ago saying "Getting involved in a redboarding battle about first-time starters with DrugS is like getting involved in a land war with Asia. You'll never win"

People have me so wrong.
I do not think that means what you think it means.
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Old 11-19-2010, 07:01 PM
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I do not think that means what you think it means.
What do you think it means?
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Old 11-20-2010, 03:30 AM
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What do you think it means?
" I do not think that means what you think it means" is a line from the great Rob Reiner film THE PRINCESS BRIDE. Seemed that picture was referenced in an earlier post on this thread.

Don't get a bee in your bonnet Charles.
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Old 11-20-2010, 06:28 AM
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Old 11-20-2010, 07:57 AM
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Old 11-20-2010, 11:30 AM
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" I do not think that means what you think it means" is a line from the great Rob Reiner film THE PRINCESS BRIDE. Seemed that picture was referenced in an earlier post on this thread.

Don't get a bee in your bonnet Charles.
Ooops.

You got me on that one.
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Old 11-20-2010, 11:37 AM
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Someone sent me a text an hour ago saying "Getting involved in a redboarding battle about first-time starters with DrugS is like getting involved in a land war with Asia. You'll never win"

People have me so wrong.
Have you seen that movie yet?
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Old 11-20-2010, 05:46 PM
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Lenny Shulman, who a few days earlier had disagreed with me over Zenyatta on Byk's show, cowardly referred to me as an " idiot " on Roger Stein's show.

You really have to wonder what is wrong with these people. Horse racing has always created disagreement among its followers. This is a good thing. It's not personal, how could it be, but with Zenyatta somehow her followers have turned it into a good versus evil debate. It's sad.
I agree with you regarding Shulman's comments. He ignored the aspect that as a handicapper, you are trying to beat Zenyatta. Particularly given her popularity at the windows. I disagree with one thing however and that the good versus evil debate is so one-sided. Unfortunately there are folks on both sides of this that appear to have a vendetta of sorts.

I am a huge fan of Z but am not looking to run everyone down that expresses disagreement. It is an important part of the game.
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