Occupy Wall Street

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

When a protester is standing still, not resisting arrest, you place handcuffs on them, take them by the elbow, and walk them to the paddy wagon. If they are sitting quietly or passively relaxing, you handcuff them, and two police drag them by the elbows to the paddy wagon.

You do NOT charge into them in a group, waving your batons, hitting them when there is zero resistance, throwing them to the ground, and sitting on them, then dragging them across the ground to the paddy wagon.

As is visible in multiple videos of the "Boston Cops vs Veterans for Peace" videos out there.

ok Commissioner Gordon

[somerfrost]

[quote=Cannon Shell;811111]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Give me a break. When you are repeatedly warned that you are to disperse, you are supposed to disperse. We have laws in this country that are to be followed so that we dont have riots. You cant complain about one set of laws when you dont follow another. If you are injured resisting arrest then it is your fault. Nothing in that video looked like police brutality.

As I said, the response is always the same. Bull issued "lawful" orders to disperse, then resorted to firehoses, dogs and clubs. The National Guard at Kent issued "lawful" orders then moved on to random killing as did the State Police at Jackson. There is never one side that is 100% to blame or is blameless, but power does not equate to "right" and the laws of man are only as morally justified as they are fair to all.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Which aspect that has been repealed?

Maybe you should just pay better attention to what happens in this country.

There is zero chance that 40% of the people milling about in NYC protests have any clue what the Glass-Steagle act is.
It is really laughable to think that you believe that. Of course you believe the 1st stimulus was a big success too despite all evidence (like occupy Wall street) to the contrary.

Well, you clearly know all about it. And you aren't going to let any evidence or facts to the contrary change your mind

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

How will a transaction tax on computer stock trading cause money to flow out of the country?

They will divert money to trading on foreign markets where no transaction taxes exist (Hong Kong/China wont go for it) or the money may be taken out of play entirely.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Been on a lot of tables for a long time and is likely to stay there. The issues will be in wording the document to make it seem (and I hate using this word) fair for everyone. I should not be discouraged or prevented from investing in a company I have faith in and hope to make a profit, despite my level of investment. Most of my $ goes into my company and its expansion. I do however gamble in the markets and it has paid off over the years. But the rules should be the same for everyone and while they are not now, a rule like that would make me even less likely to dive in.

Nice market redboard. They should put a stiff charge on trades held less than 10 minutes. The progams are making this so volatile.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

As someone concerned about costs to cities to run governments, I'd think you'd support the protesters not wanting the city to give away $5 billion dollars in tax income by giving a special tax break to those earning a million dollars and above.

Yes or no?

Sure and then watch as those people move to a new location where someelse gives them a tax break and you get none of their money.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They will divert money to trading on foreign markets where no transaction taxes exist (Hong Kong/China wont go for it) or the money may be taken out of play entirely.

So the big American Wall Street investment firms are going to move out of the country and cease practicing here if there is a 0.1% tax on trades, and a 0.01% tax on derivative trades.

Have they said this?

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=Riot;811120]

Originally Posted by jms62

So if someone is accused of breaking a misdemeanor law, and stands there passively without resistance as the police come to arrest them, the police are entitled to beat them in the process of the arrest, because they are of course guilty?

Holy ****ing crap.

Your definition of beating is obviously quite different than most.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

They should put a stiff charge on trades held less than 10 minutes. The progams are making this so volatile.

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=somerfrost;811122]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

As I said, the response is always the same. Bull issued "lawful" orders to disperse, then resorted to firehoses, dogs and clubs. The National Guard at Kent issued "lawful" orders then moved on to random killing as did the State Police at Jackson. There is never one side that is 100% to blame or is blameless, but power does not equate to "right" and the laws of man are only as morally justified as they are fair to all.

What should they do? How would you deal with it? Comparing Kent state and the videos Riot posted is laughable. How would you deal with a situation where people intentionally bring about confrontation by not following police orders?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Sure and then watch as those people move to a new location where someelse gives them a tax break and you get none of their money.

Yes. Those poor millionaires and above, currently paying that terrible tax on that income today, will luckily stop their needless suffering when it expires 12/31/2011.

They won't have to now move out of New York! Yay! They were all threatening to, you know ... just couldn't take it any more!

Millionaires and billionaires will collectively, gain $5 billion dollars, and NY City will lose that money. Don't worry - NYC will spread that $5 billion dollars in tax loss out on increased tax rates for those that make less than a million dollars, to get that money back. Or stop giving out $5 billion in city services that will negatively affect every citizen, not just those of wealth.

But the millionaires and billionaires won't have to move from that nasty New York! Yay!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

So the big American Wall Street investment firms are going to move out of the country and cease practicing here if there is a 0.1% tax on trades, and a 0.01% tax on derivative trades.

Have they said this?

Do you think that will be a deterrent at those levels? And yes they will move money to places they will make more money. That is pretty clear no?

[jms62]

[quote=Cannon Shell;811128]

Originally Posted by Riot

Your definition of beating is obviously quite different than most.

Cannon wtf i never posted that. Things are effed up here

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Riot

Right 10 minutes allows the daytraders to still play but those gaming the system will get punished.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Your definition of beating is obviously quite different than most.

Being charged and knocked over, hit in the head with a truncheon and thrown to the ground, then being sat upon, while standing still passively accepting arrest with no resistance, for a misdemeanor, doesn't count as "beating" in your book?

You should teach at the police academy.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you think that will be a deterrent at those levels? And yes they will move money to places they will make more money. That is pretty clear no?

Our casino is the best in the world. They will never leave.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes. Those poor millionaires and above, currently paying that terrible tax on that income today, will luckily stop their needless suffering when it expires 12/31/2011.

They won't have to now move out of New York! Yay!

Millionaires and billionaires will collectively, gain $5 billion dollars, and NY City will lose that money.

Like I said things dont operate in a vaccum.

[Riot]

[quote=jms62;811133]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Cannon wtf i never posted that. Things are effed up here

No, I posted that, the auto-reply quote things are weird today. See what happened above? You said that, but it quoted as Cannon

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Being charged and knocked over, hit in the head with a truncheon and thrown to the ground, then being sat upon, while standing still passively accepting arrest with no resistance, for a misdemeanor, doesn't count as "beating" in your book?

You should teach at the police academy.

Yeah they really Rodney King'ed them

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Like I said things dont operate in a vaccum.

But nice to know you side with the millionaires, and not the protesters. Your opinion, you're entitled to it.

But then perhaps you should not bitch about the cost of city services for "cities that have no money" when the protesters simply exercise their constitutional rights as citizens of that city.

It looks really bad.

Chuck: Protesters cost money! Cities don't have money! Bad protesters! They are expensive!

Beth: Those protesters are protesting the loss of $5 billion dollars in city income, due to tax breaks for the rich in that city. That will cut city services like fire, police, sanitation, and negatively affect everyone, or increase the taxes on those that make less than 1 million dollars.

Chuck: But millionaires will leave the city without those tax breaks!

Beth: Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, millionaires.