Elway trying to draft the next Elway - Page 11

jms62 · #**201** 11-20-2011, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Elway is still the best QB in Denver

And Orton is the 2nd best.

herkhorse · #**202** 11-20-2011, 07:52 AM

With every win, Elway bangs his head against the wall.

Clip-Clop · #**203** 11-20-2011, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62

And Orton is the 2nd best.

...and has the record to prove it. He is awesome. Same squad for the first 5 as the last 5 (minus li'l hands Kyle), actually they were healthier AND more talented (Lloyd).

jms62 · #**204** 11-20-2011, 12:31 PM

As an NFL QB Orton is head and shoulders above Tebow and would be the starter if the fans weren't crying for Tebow and Elway didn't bow to that. Face it, Elway put Tebow in to fail and get the fans off his back so he then could get rid of him. His gimmicky style will be exposed as soon as Defenses take it seriously which I would estimate would be very shortly based upon the embarassment he put on the Jets. If you think this guy is the future then good luck with that. He plays like the game is WAY WAY too fast for him. Makes me think of inturmural flag football when I watch him wait for LB's to clear out on coverage and he runs the ball. Enjoy your wins and your mid round draft pick and your postion in NFL purgatory. Not good enough for the playoffs and not bad enough for a pick that will turn the franchise around.

Face it this whole run is the defense who is playing like every game is sudden death. They know they give up more than 14 points and they are losers. For that I credit Tebow, kid has all the heart in the world but not NFL QB Skill by a long long shot. Question for you if Denver fans are such believers then why the boo-birds this past Thursday?

Clip-Clop · #**205** 11-20-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

As an NFL QB Orton is head and shoulders above Tebow and would be the starter if the fans weren't crying for Tebow and Elway didn't bow to that. Face it, Elway put Tebow in to fail and get the fans off his back so he then could get rid of him. His gimmicky style will be exposed as soon as Defenses take it seriously which I would estimate would be very shortly based upon the embarassment he put on the Jets. If you think this guy is the future then good luck with that. He plays like the game is WAY WAY too fast for him. Makes me think of inturmural flag football when I watch him wait for LB's to clear out on coverage and he runs the ball. Enjoy your wins and your mid round draft pick and your postion in NFL purgatory. Not good enough for the playoffs and not bad enough for a pick that will turn the franchise around.

Face it this whole run is the defense who is playing like every game is sudden death. They know they give up more than 14 points and they are losers. For that I credit Tebow, kid has all the heart in the world but not NFL QB Skill by a long long shot. Question for you if Denver fans are such believers then why the boo-birds this past Thursday?

First, I am not a Broncos fan, just live here and therefore root for them. I am a Cowboys fan which comes with its own special set of issues at QB, but that is a different thread.

Orton-sure he can throw the ball better than Tebow (although it goes to the defense at the worst possible times via pick or fumble), but that is not the sole job of QB. There is much more to it than that otherwise Ryan Leaf would be Peyton Manning. If that was your guy, you would get it. Maybe if you are a Charger fan you understand what it is like.

Tebow-is the game too fast for him, of course. Show me a QB that doesn't have those issues after 7 starts outside of the best of the best.
The way NFL defenses are built these days this offense could be successful for a while. Defense is built to react to the offense, NFL offenses are very pass heavy and nobody runs the ball like Denver has structured this offense. Is it the permanent solution, no, no way, but it is working when it matters.

Boo-birds- Just like the J-E-T-S the boos are (or should be) for the offensive coordinators not calling anything creative and taking the playbook out of the hands of the QB's. Although based on what I saw Thursday, Sanchez should not have access to much of it.

Defense- playing lights out, no question about it, but they were playing that way early too, just frustrated to be backed up all the time by Orton's f-ups. Miller is insane and also in love with Tebow. The corners are still small and weak and get exposed by an offense like Detroit, the safetys...D-line is coming around. The keys to the win streak are the linebackers and Tebow taking over the offense. Plain and simple.

I know there is work to be done with Tebow and what they are doing is not going to last but Orton is a disaster and will not likely get a backup spot somewhere next year with all the NCAA talent coming out (again) in this years QB draft.

Clip-Clop · #**206** 11-20-2011, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

As an NFL QB Orton is head and shoulders above Tebow and would be the starter if the fans weren't crying for Tebow and Elway didn't bow to that. Face it, Elway put Tebow in to fail and get the fans off his back so he then could get rid of him. His gimmicky style will be exposed as soon as Defenses take it seriously which I would estimate would be very shortly based upon the embarassment he put on the Jets. If you think this guy is the future then good luck with that. He plays like the game is WAY WAY too fast for him. Makes me think of inturmural flag football when I watch him wait for LB's to clear out on coverage and he runs the ball. Enjoy your wins and your mid round draft pick and your postion in NFL purgatory. Not good enough for the playoffs and not bad enough for a pick that will turn the franchise around.

Face it this whole run is the defense who is playing like every game is sudden death. They know they give up more than 14 points and they are losers. For that I credit Tebow, kid has all the heart in the world but not NFL QB Skill by a long long shot. Question for you if Denver fans are such believers then why the boo-birds this past Thursday?

PS...Your squad?

Dahoss · #**207** 11-20-2011, 01:29 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz2kvJf22gs

jms62 · #**208** 11-20-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

PS...Your squad?

The beyond beyond fuking hopless Bills

Clip-Clop · #**209** 11-20-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz2kvJf22gs

You were aware this existed. Now I am, thanks, thanks a lot.

Clip-Clop · #**210** 11-20-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

The beyond beyond fuking hopless Bills

Freedie and Stevie are solid.

Alabama Stakes · #**211** 11-20-2011, 07:30 PM

you guys also forget the Dilfer factor......the defense plays better because they can't afford to let up many with him in there as QB. Kind of like my .672 batting average in games that I started.....cuz if i was pitching, we needed runs

herkhorse · #**212** 11-21-2011, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse

Tebow's got a big heart, I'll give him that. If you really need a miracle though, how 'bout Cutler and da Bears? Jesus Christ, talk about rising from the dead.

Damn, forgot about his bad karma.

Or maybe it was my bad karma that broke his thumb.

This is getting deep.

jms62 · #**213** 11-21-2011, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse

Damn, forgot about his bad karma.

Or maybe it was my bad karma that broke his thumb.

This is getting deep.

Does OJ Simpson condemn the Bills to Bad Karma for all eternity or just until he dies? It sure fuking feels like eternity man.

GPK · #**214** 11-21-2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz2kvJf22gs

I hate you for this.

Danzig · #**215** 11-22-2011, 08:06 PM

just read that kyle orton was cut by the broncos. wasn't expecting that news, but knowing he was coming up for free agency, it isn't as big a surprise.

GPK · #**216** 11-22-2011, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

just read that kyle orton was cut by the broncos. wasn't expecting that news, but knowing he was coming up for free agency, it isn't as big a surprise.

Chicago Bears calling in 3...2...1...

Crown@club · #**217** 11-23-2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

just read that kyle orton was cut by the broncos. wasn't expecting that news, but knowing he was coming up for free agency, it isn't as big a surprise.

He asked for his release after Cutler injury.
KC could snag....2.5 million left on contract, reasonable for any squad who don't have a future QB on the roster that's injured, on block.

Crown@club · #**218** 11-23-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't think Tebow would make a good running back. Part of what makes him effective as a runner is the defense not being able to totally key in on him running. As bad a passer as he is, they still have to give some respect to it. Look at last weekend when he won the game with the long touchdown pass, his second completion of the game. I think that taking that dimension away would really hurt his effectiveness as a runner and his lack of skills in that area would be exposed much more than they are now.

Was I blind or did the KC defensive backs stop on the play before Decker made the catch?

Bigsmc · #**219** 11-23-2011, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

Chicago Bears calling in 3...2...1...

KC got him.

Danzig · #**220** 11-23-2011, 06:47 PM

just saw that when i got home. i knew they were one of several that was needing a qb.