Jeremy Rose

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

I saw the race on my computer. The NJ wagering account has all of the tracks video. I was asking if it was on ESPN or not. He's only the best horse in the world.

And if you were a tv exec and read a week before the race the trainer of Curlin threatening not to run because of the weights would you spend the time and money to cover such a race? It wasnt a compelling race in reality. Watching Curlin run a bunch of overmatched horses into the ground is not really a good story unless it is happening in a big race. It would have been nice to have it on TV but I cant see where it ESPN would have felt it was compelling enough that needed to be shown.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you watched the first 2 games and didnt enjoy them I wonder what exactly you would like? Why do you have to knock another sport especially when it not only has a good storyline but has been good entertainment. ESPN shows plenty of crap but the college WS is a legit event. Anything that Erin Anderews covers is important!

Exactly. I don't pay for porn, but I will say that if she were to get naked, I would be all over that.....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Are you being serious, Chuck? I hope not, but if I offended you, I'm sorry.

PING! PING!! PING!!! After 5 minutes of PING!!!! I couldn't take it anymore. Plus, I didn't find the kids to actually be that good. PING!!!!! With exception of the SS from Georgia I can see a better game in Staten Island or Brooklyn with better players.

And if you couldn't tell, PING!!!!! The aluminum bats drive me PING!!!!!! It seems a bit artificial to me. But I guess their artificial is no worse than MLB's artificial (HGH)...

I am hard to offend unlike most of America these days. I admit the aluminum bats are annoying but these games have been good. Under your theory of watching the better players NBA ratings should be a lot higher than the Tourney because ...well the players are a lot better. But watching Fresno States depleted bullpen trying to hold on on Monday night was good tv. As was last nights rally after digging a big hole early. Unlike college football these teams actually earned their way in.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Not complaining. Just pointing it out to the people that complain when something overruns on ESPN and they put off the racing coverage to show the end of it. It is another example of how completely irrelevant our sport is to the public outside of the Triple Crown.

I think most sports outside of the three major ones are pretty irrelevant to most people unless there is something to sensationalize. Tennis is almost never covered unless it is a major. All we have heard the last week is how golf will get miniscule ratings because Tiger isnt playing. Is the NHL season over yet?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think most sports outside of the three major ones are pretty irrelevant to most people unless there is something to sensationalize. Tennis is almost never covered unless it is a major. All we have heard the last week is how golf will get miniscule ratings because Tiger isnt playing. Is the NHL season over yet?

ESPN.com has 15 sports across their banner on the top. Horse Racing is in More+ with Lacrosse, Poker, the WNBA, and MMA. We are about as low on the totem pole as you can get and expect any coverage.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am hard to offend unlike most of America these days. I admit the aluminum bats are annoying but these games have been good. Under your theory of watching the better players NBA ratings should be a lot higher than the Tourney because ...well the players are a lot better. But watching Fresno States depleted bullpen trying to hold on on Monday night was good tv. As was last nights rally after digging a big hole early. Unlike college football these teams actually earned their way in.

Actually, I think the game of College Basketball itself is a better product than the NBA. So, whether or not the players themselves are better doesn't matter to me. The NBA is bad by itself, but having to watch the Knicks, uugh. Prefer the old sharp stick in the eye.

I'm glad you are enjoying the CWS.

As a side note, ESPN will be covering the Hollywood Gold Cup on Saturday. (ESPN2)...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

ESPN.com has 15 sports across their banner on the top. Horse Racing is in More+ with Lacrosse, Poker, the WNBA, and MMA. We are about as low on the totem pole as you can get and expect any coverage.

During the runup to the TC and BC we have a spot.Like it or not ESPN covers the "now" events. College baseball has gotten a ton of coverage the last 2 weeks. Can you remember the last coverage they got before the World Series started? How about none. There is a definite lull in horsereacing right now. The TC and BC are events that they can justify covering.

We are on Congress list of problems in America. That HAS to mean something.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

ESPN.com has 15 sports across their banner on the top. Horse Racing is in More+ with Lacrosse, Poker, the WNBA, and MMA. We are about as low on the totem pole as you can get and expect any coverage.

Unless something goes horribly wrong when everyone is watching. Otherwise it is kind of "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Actually, I think the game of College Basketball itself is a better product than the NBA. So, whether or not the players themselves are better doesn't matter to me. The NBA is bad by itself, but having to watch the Knicks, uugh. Prefer the old sharp stick in the eye.

I'm glad you are enjoying the CWS.

As a side note, ESPN will be covering the Hollywood Gold Cup on Saturday. (ESPN2)...

The Knicks have poisoned the waters but college basketball is far inferior to the NBA game unless you just like crowd noise. The game of basketball is much better executed on the NBA level. I am always amazed that people dont like the NBA. Scuds would call you racist. But he calls everybody racist.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

Who is the "they" cracking down on this that would have the authority to do all these things to check on a trainer? I just find it hard to believe track or racing officials could gain access to phone records, bank account info, etc... I think you're probably right that an effort is being made to make sure a suspension is upheld and adhered to, I just doubt it can be examined to that extent.

I think it was about a year ago that Dutrow got extra days when they checked phone records and found out that he had been in contact with his barn during the suspension. The state racing boards do have some power.

As others stated, there are obviously ways around this. A trainer could borrow a cell phone. And in terms of getting paid, if a trainer was paid by cash instead of by check and if he didn't put the money in the bank, he might get away with it.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

During the runup to the TC and BC we have a spot.Like it or not ESPN covers the "now" events. College baseball has gotten a ton of coverage the last 2 weeks. Can you remember the last coverage they got before the World Series started? How about none. There is a definite lull in horsereacing right now. The TC and BC are events that they can justify covering.

We are on Congress list of problems in America. That HAS to mean something.

ONLY because something happened in the Kentucky Derby.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Alan Foreman, a Maryland lawyer who represents horseracing clients, said that Rose contacted him on Tuesday night for representation in the case. Foreman said that he only had a brief conversation with Rose, and that the two will decide on a legal strategy later on Wednesday.

"I saw the film, so I understand what we're dealing with," Foreman said. "It was an accident, and it was not done on purpose. No one feels worse about this than Jeremy Rose."

I can't wait to hear this...

Link to story:

http://www.drf.com/news/article/95768.html

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The Knicks have poisoned the waters but college basketball is far inferior to the NBA game unless you just like crowd noise. The game of basketball is much better executed on the NBA level. I am always amazed that people dont like the NBA. Scuds would call you racist. But he calls everybody racist.

I'm not into 1 on 1 basketball while 8 guys stand around and watch.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

I'm not into 1 on 1 basketball while 8 guys stand around and watch.

Yeah, I'll take the college game anyday.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think it was about a year ago that Dutrow got extra days when they checked phone records and found out that he had been in contact with his barn during the suspension. The state racing boards do have some power.

As others stated, there are obviously ways around this. A trainer could borrow a cell phone. And in terms of getting paid, if a trainer was paid by cash instead of by check and if he didn't put the money in the bank, he might get away with it.

He violated the terms of a 60 day suspension (down from an original 120 days), and they only gave him 14 days, which he then used to take a vacation with Frankel in Brazil. He essentially laughed at them.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think it was about a year ago that Dutrow got extra days when they checked phone records and found out that he had been in contact with his barn during the suspension. The state racing boards do have some power.

As others stated, there are obviously ways around this. A trainer could borrow a cell phone. And in terms of getting paid, if a trainer was paid by cash instead of by check and if he didn't put the money in the bank, he might get away with it.

Couldnt they check the phone records of the assistant too? There arent too many people who you could get to pay with cash. Honestly it is more of a nuisance than anything else but should be enforced if it is the rule and if it can be. I have been told by a lawyer that they feel that they could beat this in court if it went to that

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

I'm not into 1 on 1 basketball while 8 guys stand around and watch.

Maybe if you watched the NBA you would see that this is a myth. I'm not that into watching guys one year out of HS auditioning for the NBA draft playing with a bunch of other guys who cant shoot. Maybe 10 years ago you could argue that the NCAA was good basketball when the teams stayed together and played for a few years. Now it is one and done for the stars and everybody else plays a role. It really isnt that far from being the NBA with bad players.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

He violated the terms of a 60 day suspension (down from an original 120 days), and they only gave him 14 days, which he then used to take a vacation with Frankel in Brazil. He essentially laughed at them.

Your brothers in the Bar are what allows this, no?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Couldnt they check the phone records of the assistant too? There arent too many people who you could get to pay with cash. Honestly it is more of a nuisance than anything else but should be enforced if it is the rule and if it can be. I have been told by a lawyer that they feel that they could beat this in court if it went to that

I meant that the assistant could give some money to the trainer. It probably would be hard to do because the assistant is getting paid by check. He would have to withdraw cash from the account if he was going to give some cash to the trainer. There would be a record of the cash withdrawl so it is possible they could get caught. On the other hand, even if the racing board saw that the assistant withdrew $10,000 cash from the account, they couldn't prove what he did with it. He could claim that he used the money to bet on some of their horses and he lost.

In terms of limiting contact between the trainer and the barn, I'm sure they would check the assistant's phone records. Both the assistant and the trainer would need to borrow cell phones.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Alan Foreman, a Maryland lawyer who represents horseracing clients, said that Rose contacted him on Tuesday night for representation in the case. Foreman said that he only had a brief conversation with Rose, and that the two will decide on a legal strategy later on Wednesday.

"I saw the film, so I understand what we're dealing with," Foreman said. "It was an accident, and it was not done on purpose. No one feels worse about this than Jeremy Rose."

I can't wait to hear this...

Link to story:

http://www.drf.com/news/article/95768.html

I think he was on with Steve last night on ATR, what a turnaround...he sounded like a reasonably sane guy in the interview. How anyone thinks that was an accident, should be taken to task. The first blow maybe, but the second and third whacks of the stick even Perry Mason would have a hard time explaining.