Occupy Wall Street

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Being charged and knocked over, hit in the head with a truncheon and thrown to the ground, then being sat upon, while standing still passively accepting arrest with no resistance, for a misdemeanor, doesn't count as "beating" in your book?

You should teach at the police academy.

that shi.t happens every day in every town and every city in every state. to protesters and non protesters alike.

the majority of Cops should be arrested.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by jms62

Nice market redboard. They should put a stiff charge on trades held less than 10 minutes. The progams are making this so volatile.

Redboard would be my disclosing identifying Lulu as "the next big thing" way back at $31/share, pre-split. Made me enough to afford to buy my wife a pair of pants there.
10 mins would be reasonable, it would require so much attention though it might not be self-sufficient.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

that shi.t happens every day in every town and every city in every state. to protesters and non protesters alike.

the majority of Cops should be arrested.

They all seem to be pretty darn laid back out in Liberal-land in Seattle, however

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Nor should they if this is going to be the start of something larger. Once election comes into play it becomes the same old shell game. I am all but out of the markets, too volatile for my tastes right now and I do not have the capital, software or processor speed to make money on minor flux.

Gotta have the cash flow if you want to beat The Matrix.

[somerfrost]

[quote=Cannon Shell;811130]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

What should they do? How would you deal with it? Comparing Kent state and the videos Riot posted is laughable. How would you deal with a situation where people intentionally bring about confrontation by not following police orders?

Kent State is part of history and shows what can happen when those in power think they have a right to use said power with no regard for the consequences. Once again, reading comprehension comes into play, I never compared Kent to recent events but used it as an example of past events...what could very easily happen again if folks allow....nonviolence civil disobedience is preferred to violent riots I think you'd agree...neither side is 100% blameless because even in the most noble endeavors there are bound to be some lawless individuals who will seize the opportunity, that doesn't mean authorities have a green light to repress those who are acting in an appropriate manner. Common sense and foresight are not too much to expect, the thing I always taught new officers at the prison was never back inmates into a corner where they feel they must defend their "manhood" always give them a peaceful alternative, you are in control and things will always work out in your favor. Sure, there comes a time when physical force becomes necessary but ONLY AS A LAST RESORT! The letter of the law should never replace the objective of the law!

One of those lousy California Pizza Kitchen frozen pizza was $8.29 at Kroger.

Things are getting bad when 4 bags of groceries cost more than a day rate for an escort.

[Riot]

This is a great video from OccupyBoston.com website, about the night the Boston police came and destroyed the second camp - which was livestreamed btw - they came in and took all the campers belongings over a couple hour, and threw them out (stealing private property, but I guess that doesn't count - - then came back for the protesters, going through the Veterans for Peace first

We had this odd announcement from the mayor of Boston:

“I will not tolerate civil disobedience in the city of Boston,”

– Thomas Menino, mayor of the city where patriots staged the most celebrated act of civil disobedience in American history, The Boston Tea Party

www.occupyboston.com go down to mid page, where it says,
"Video of Boston Police Arresting Peaceful Protesters
Posted on October 14, 2011"

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Redboard would be my disclosing identifying Lulu as "the next big thing" way back at $31/share, pre-split. Made me enough to afford to buy my wife a pair of pants there.
10 mins would be reasonable, it would require so much attention though it might not be self-sufficient.

Congrats! I don't understand the so much attention though, it would take less than a week to write that program... Simple review of time and sales and record it to pass to the feds... Billions of bucks there.

Now for the rest of my ideas and my presidential platform. which will get me killed both here and in real life for real if I was running.

Allow all internet gambling and tax it... Billions of Bucks there. LOWER CORPORATE TAX to 10% and allow repatriation of profits one time 10% tax....

Millionares all is well, current tax structure is fine.

HOWEVER

Tax the sh*t on companies using H1B labor or outsourcing Labor.. Immediately stop H1B, anyone on an extension gets 90 days to vacate. Anyone on an H1B in the loop for a green card gets the boot.
(We probably are talking a million jobs here but of course there is no where to get the stats because we would be outraged)

Do not allow companies to declare costs on their taxes for ANY WORK done outside the US against income.

What this gives us is a HUGE amount of US Citizens back to work and paying taxes...

HMO's for profit... Horrible Idea and gone... HMO's non-profit. CEO's of non-profits income no more than 100 x minimum wage. (Breaking these up however I have no fuking idea how this will work but I am honest)

Publicly funded elections... X amount of money to be given to each major party and Y amount to rest. Anyone found accepting money from anyone be it a lobbyist or their mom gets 10 years in the fed pen NO PAROLE...

[Riot]

I'd vote for you for Congress, jms. Go for it!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

But nice to know you side with the millionaires, and not the protesters. Your opinion, you're entitled to it.

But then perhaps you should not bitch about the cost of city services for "cities that have no money" when the protesters simply exercise their constitutional rights as citizens of that city.

It looks really bad.

Chuck: Protesters cost money! Cities don't have money! Bad protesters! They are expensive!

Beth: Those protesters are protesting the loss of $5 billion dollars in city income, due to tax breaks for the rich in that city. That will cut city services like fire, police, sanitation, and negatively affect everyone, or increase the taxes on those that make less than 1 million dollars.

Chuck: But millionaires will leave the city without those tax breaks!

Beth: Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, millionaires.

Actually I don't side with anyone just point out facts without the hyperbole.

Fact 1: Cities are hurting financially
Fact 2: In the near term nothing being protested will change anything about fact 1
Fact 3: Anyone who dares bring up facts 1 and 2 will be browbeaten into being "for millionaires" or other foolish labels.

The amazing thing is that Riot has actually semi-supported things that were being done by a Democratic Gov in a firmly democratic state (NY tax credits) and supported a position that Obama opposes (transaction taxes).

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=somerfrost;811146]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Kent State is part of history and shows what can happen when those in power think they have a right to use said power with no regard for the consequences. Once again, reading comprehension comes into play, I never compared Kent to recent events but used it as an example of past events...what could very easily happen again if folks allow....nonviolence civil disobedience is preferred to violent riots I think you'd agree...neither side is 100% blameless because even in the most noble endeavors there are bound to be some lawless individuals who will seize the opportunity, that doesn't mean authorities have a green light to repress those who are acting in an appropriate manner. Common sense and foresight are not too much to expect, the thing I always taught new officers at the prison was never back inmates into a corner where they feel they must defend their "manhood" always give them a peaceful alternative, you are in control and things will always work out in your favor. Sure, there comes a time when physical force becomes necessary but ONLY AS A LAST RESORT! The letter of the law should never replace the objective of the law!

At some point people will understand bringing up something in the same context of a subject is in effect comparing the situations otherwise why bring it up? I'm quite sure my comprehension of what you were saying is quite clear.

Again maybe this time you will answer the question if you can comprehend it. If you were the police and given orders to disperse a crowd that refused to move what would you do?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

One of those lousy California Pizza Kitchen frozen pizza was $8.29 at Kroger.

Things are getting bad when 4 bags of groceries cost more than a day rate for an escort.

Tell me you didnt

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Congrats! I don't understand the so much attention though, it would take less than a week to write that program... Simple review of time and sales and record it to pass to the feds... Billions of bucks there.

Now for the rest of my ideas and my presidential platform. which will get me killed both here and in real life for real if I was running.

Allow all internet gambling and tax it... Billions of Bucks there. LOWER CORPORATE TAX to 10% and allow repatriation of profits one time 10% tax....

Millionares all is well, current tax structure is fine.

HOWEVER

Tax the sh*t on companies using H1B labor or outsourcing Labor.. Immediately stop H1B, anyone on an extension gets 90 days to vacate. Anyone on an H1B in the loop for a green card gets the boot.
(We probably are talking a million jobs here but of course there is no where to get the stats because we would be outraged)

Do not allow companies to declare costs on their taxes for ANY WORK done outside the US against income.

What this gives us is a HUGE amount of US Citizens back to work and paying taxes...

HMO's for profit... Horrible Idea and gone... HMO's non-profit. CEO's of non-profits income no more than 100 x minimum wage. (Breaking these up however I have no fuking idea how this will work but I am honest)

Publicly funded elections... X amount of money to be given to each major party and Y amount to rest. Anyone found accepting money from anyone be it a lobbyist or their mom gets 10 years in the fed pen NO PAROLE...

Dont you like eating?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'd vote for you for Congress, jms. Go for it!

I believe he is running for President

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dont you like eating?

Love it as much as you. But i believe in FREE MARKET. Resturants hire American citizens and set your price and I will decide if I want to pay it.
Isn't that capitalism?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually I don't side with anyone just point out facts without the hyperbole.

Fact 1: Cities are hurting financially
Fact 2: In the near term nothing being protested will change anything about fact 1
Fact 3: Anyone who dares bring up facts 1 and 2 will be browbeaten into being "for millionaires" or other foolish labels.

The amazing thing is that Riot has actually semi-supported things that were being done by a Democratic Gov in a firmly democratic state (NY tax credits) and supported a position that Obama opposes (transaction taxes).

The concept, "Ah don't think any of them damn dirty hippies know about Glass-Steagall" isn't a fact.

It's only your own opinion that protesting will not change anything, not a fact.

Nobody has browbeaten you for being "a millionaire" (nice "I'm a victim" attempt, though) so that's not a fact.

If you think I've supported NY tax credits here, you need to re-read the thread (I've not said if I do or not, you've just assumed I do, but if you bothered to ask, no, I do not)

Ah, you've fallen back to your straw men and ad hominem

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Love it as much as you. But i believe in FREE MARKET. Resturants hire American citizens and set your price and I will decide if I want to pay it.
Isn't that capitalism?

Yeah there are tons of Americans looking for jobs busing tables and washing dishes.

I was thinking of the food producers though. Because we all know that there are scores of american citizens itching to work the lettuce fields.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

The concept, "Ah don't think any of them damn dirty hippies know about Glass-Steagall" isn't a fact.

It's only your own opinion that protesting will not change anything, not a fact.

Nobody has browbeaten you for being "a millionaire" (nice "I'm a victim" attempt, though) so that's not a fact.

If you think I've supported NY tax credits here, you need to re-read the thread (I've not said if I do or not, you've just assumed I do, but if you bothered to ask, no, I do not)

Ah, you've fallen back to your straw men and ad hominem

I would use the "you put words in my mouth" but I think you patented it.

Exactly where did I call anyone a name? I stated that very few citizens of the US know much if anything about a fairly obscure act of Congress. It is hard to believe that anyone would believe that 40% of the protesters at Occupy Wall street are familar with it considering virtually every person with any gripe in the NY metro area has been there protesting something. The idea that almost half the people there understand what the act means or what was amended is a stretch of epic proportions.

No you were against the Tax credits which is new for you considering you usually fall into lockstep with anything Democratic. What about your guy Obama's opposition to the transaction tax? No comments on that?

Intersting that you chose to ignore the 3 facts that I did post

I will give you credit for consistency

[somerfrost]

[quote=Cannon Shell;811160]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

At some point people will understand bringing up something in the same context of a subject is in effect comparing the situations otherwise why bring it up? I'm quite sure my comprehension of what you were saying is quite clear.

Again maybe this time you will answer the question if you can comprehend it. If you were the police and given orders to disperse a crowd that refused to move what would you do?

saying that in the past events that are similar to today's events led eventually to a specific outcome is not comparing a past outcome with present yet to be determined outcome but warning that in the near future the past outcome may repeat itself. The situation(s) that preceded Kent are very similar to what we are seeing today, I can hardly compare Kent to the eventual outcome of today's situation because it hasn't happened yet so no, Kent isn't similar to the events we have seen thus far but it may be very similar to the future. Kent happened, that's an historical fact...what happens as a result of the current situation is as of now unknown, my point being that in the past, the use of power because one can, has led to violence by the powerful.
Regarding what I would do, I would seek a result that the crowd might be able to accept without them seeing it as a defeat...perhaps relocation to another site, a hearing to express grievances, anything that would allow them to gracefully disperse. My main ally should be time...as long as there is no violence, there is no need to rush in and bust heads. In the end however, the police cannot address the issues that brought about this situation, it is up to those holding the power to do so and only public outcry can convince them to address same.

The rulers shall not hear any grievances from the peasants. Preposterous. Back to work with thee, swine!!