Elway trying to draft the next Elway - Page 12

King Glorious · #**221** 11-27-2011, 07:55 PM

Just win. This is getting crazier by the game.

MaTH716 · #**222** 11-27-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Just win. This is getting crazier by the game.

How about Norv Turner calling time-out with 1 on the play clock and the Broncos out of time-outs

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He has to be fired this year, right?

Enjoy the ride now, because realistically it's going to be very tough to win in the long run without the ability to throw the ball.

RockHardTen1985 · #**223** 11-27-2011, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

How about Norv Turner calling time-out with 1 on the play clock and the Broncos out of time-outs

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He has to be fired this year, right?

Enjoy the ride now, because realistically it's going to be very tough to win in the long run without the ability to throw the ball.

I think he throws the ball just fine. Look at the talent around him. His #1 running back is a guy who is OK at best and was let go by Baltimore to get younger. His best WR was recently let go. All the talent on that team is on D, even then its not much.

King Glorious · #**224** 11-27-2011, 09:53 PM

Look at the final numbers and convince me that Rivers played better? Tebow hit a couple of big passes on the last drive on the fourth (39 to Decker and 23 to Rosario) to set up the tying field goal. Rivers was barely over 50% (19-36) and despite throwing twice as many times, only had 45 more yards than Tebow.

I think anyone would be a fool to argue that Tebow is a good passer but I think it's also foolish to think that a quarterback's job is only to pass. You've got to lead and you've got to take care of the ball and you've got to keep the defense off balance. Tebow excels in doing all of those things. You can call it luck but 5-1 is 5-1. As they say, sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

MaTH716 · #**225** 11-27-2011, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Look at the final numbers and convince me that Rivers played better? Tebow hit a couple of big passes on the last drive on the fourth (39 to Decker and 23 to Rosario) to set up the tying field goal. Rivers was barely over 50% (19-36)
and despite throwing twice as many times, only had 45 more yards than Tebow.

I think anyone would be a fool to argue that Tebow is a good passer but I think it's also foolish to think that a quarterback's job is only to pass. You've got to lead and you've got to take care of the ball and you've got to keep the defense off balance. Tebow excels in doing all of those things. You can call it luck but 5-1 is 5-1. As they say, sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

Rivers (and the Chargers) have been pretty abysmal this year. I really don't know what happened to him. Once again Tebow was good late in the game, but he didn't do anything extraordinary in OT. You are right in the fact that he doesn't turn the ball over.

Not really sure it's luck, like mentioned above he's not losing games for them, but I really think something should be mentioned about the defense that has averaged giving up 15 pts against a game in those 5 wins. Granted that he has made some big plays when needed, but he really hasn't had to put the team on his back and carry them in a shootout as of yet. The o-line should probably get an honerable mention as well.

The 5-1 record is more indicative of them getting solid play from the entire team.

RockHardTen1985 · #**226** 11-27-2011, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Rivers (and the Chargers) have been pretty abysmal this year. I really don't know what happened to him. Once again Tebow was good late in the game, but he didn't do anything extraordinary in OT. You are right in the fact that he doesn't turn the ball over.

Not really sure it's luck, like mentioned above he's not losing games for them, but I really think something should be mentioned about the defense that has averaged giving up 15 pts against a game in those 5 wins. Granted that he has made some big plays when needed, but he really hasn't had to put the team on his back and carry them in a shootout as of yet. The o-line should probably get an honerable mention as well.

The 5-1 record is more indicative of them getting solid play from the entire team.

Is it safe to say the entire team plays solid because of Tebow and the type of man/leader he is. I think thats a big part of it.

MaTH716 · #**227** 11-27-2011, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Is it safe to say the entire team plays solid because of Tebow and the type of man/leader he is. I think thats a big part of it.

I don't know the dynamics of the team well enough to answer that. I would think that he's probably a part of it. But don't forget that you also have a guy like Brian Dawkins who is an absolute warrior, leading the charge as well. John Fox probably deserves some credit too.

Life is always easier when you are winning, their schedule gets a little deeper in a few weeks (vs Bears, vs Pats @ Bills), we'll see if they are a legitimate or not. But if you are a Broncos fan and expected nothing from the season, you're pretty much playing with house money right now. Might as well enjoy the ride.

3kings · #**228** 11-27-2011, 10:39 PM

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I think he throws the ball just fine.

This is beyond rediculous. You can say he is a leader and he makes people around him better etc..... But you can't say he throws fine for a NFL QB, its just not true.

RockHardTen1985 · #**229** 11-27-2011, 10:42 PM

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This is beyond rediculous. You can say he is a leader and he makes people around him better etc..... But you can't say he throws fine for a NFL QB, its just not true.

He is an NFL QB though. He is also 5-1 now, with no real talent around him.

MaTH716 · #**230** 11-27-2011, 10:45 PM

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He is an NFL QB though. He is also 5-1 now, with no real talent around him.

So was Dave Brown and he sucked balls. What's that mean?

I also disagree with the talent statement, their line has done a great job blocking and giving him time to underthrow and overthrow people most of the time.

RockHardTen1985 · #**231** 11-27-2011, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

So was Dave Brown and he sucked balls. What's that mean?

I also disagree with the talent statement, their line has done a great job blocking and giving him time to underthrow and overthrow people most of the time.

They have less talent then 70% of the teams in the NFL. Thats not me throwing out bullshit, go roster to roster and check it out. 70% MIGHT BE LOW.

Danzig · #**232** 11-27-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He is an NFL QB though. He is also 5-1 now, with no real talent around him.

so is painter; what's that got to do with anything? tebow has a never say die attitude, but don't inflate their win vs the abysmal chargers and their amazing losing streak.

Danzig · #**233** 11-27-2011, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

So was Dave Brown and he sucked balls. What's that mean?

I also disagree with the talent statement, their line has done a great job blocking and giving him time to underthrow and overthrow people most of the time.

i'd imagine one reason they give him time is to keep him in the backfield, and not give him running lanes. he's more dangerous moving than throwing, that's for sure.
but hey, he was at 50% today, he's improving!

Danzig · #**234** 11-27-2011, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Rivers (and the Chargers) have been pretty abysmal this year. I really don't know what happened to him. Once again Tebow was good late in the game, but he didn't do anything extraordinary in OT. You are right in the fact that he doesn't turn the ball over.

Not really sure it's luck, like mentioned above he's not losing games for them, but I really think something should be mentioned about the defense that has averaged giving up 15 pts against a game in those 5 wins. Granted that he has made some big plays when needed, but he really hasn't had to put the team on his back and carry them in a shootout as of yet. The o-line should probably get an honerable mention as well.

The 5-1 record is more indicative of them getting solid play from the entire team.

it's the curse of the norv.

jms62 · #**235** 11-28-2011, 04:53 AM

horseofcourse · #**236** 11-28-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Look at the final numbers and convince me that Rivers played better? Tebow hit a couple of big passes on the last drive on the fourth (39 to Decker and 23 to Rosario) to set up the tying field goal. Rivers was barely over 50% (19-36) and despite throwing twice as many times, only had 45 more yards than Tebow.

I think anyone would be a fool to argue that Tebow is a good passer but I think it's also foolish to think that a quarterback's job is only to pass. You've got to lead and you've got to take care of the ball and you've got to keep the defense off balance. Tebow excels in doing all of those things. You can call it luck but 5-1 is 5-1. As they say, sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

Tebow has not turned the ball over at all in their 5 wins with him. that is not luck, that is good misses. He is not a good passer, but I live in Denver TV market so all their games are on and I've seen a good chunk of all of his games. When he misses, and sometimes it's bad it is always in the right spot to miss. I'll give him that. He's played very well for the most part and the tying drive in regulation yesterday he threw some very nice balls on that drive. He's a really good football player. The is he a good NFL quarterback question about him will be unanswered for awhile, but no one can even argue that he isn't a superb football player.

Clip-Clop · #**237** 11-28-2011, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Rivers (and the Chargers) have been pretty abysmal this year. I really don't know what happened to him. Once again Tebow was good late in the game, but he didn't do anything extraordinary in OT. You are right in the fact that he doesn't turn the ball over.

Not really sure it's luck, like mentioned above he's not losing games for them, but I really think something should be mentioned about the defense that has averaged giving up 15 pts against a game in those 5 wins. Granted that he has made some big plays when needed, but he really hasn't had to put the team on his back and carry them in a shootout as of yet. The o-line should probably get an honerable mention as well.

The 5-1 record is more indicative of them getting solid play from the entire team.

Raiders game was a bit of a shootout.

jms62 · #**238** 11-28-2011, 11:15 AM

I am done pissing into that hurricane. The kid gets it done.

MaTH716 · #**239** 11-28-2011, 11:26 AM

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Raiders game was a bit of a shootout.

The last 3 TD's were a:
Willis McGahee 60 yard rush
Eddie Royal 85 yard punt return
Willis McGahee 24 yard rush

Clip-Clop · #**240** 11-28-2011, 11:38 AM

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The last 3 TD's were a:
Willis McGahee 60 yard rush
Eddie Royal 85 yard punt return
Willis McGahee 24 yard rush

Right, i vaguely remember. was watching while shooting craps at the Hooters Casino of all places. These are not the mid-90's Cowboys though and McGahee isn't Emmitt, the only reason they can run the ball this well (this was the worst rushing team in the league for 5 games) is the game plan and Tebow. It is like when Vick first showed up in the NFL and nobody knew what to do.
He did throw the ball very well yesterday too, a few drops get caught on 3rd and medium and the game might not have been as close.