Nfl Free Agency

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

The fact that they are kicking the tires and trading for big name QB's the year after their franchise QB (whom they traded up for and has helped them get to the AFC title game in his first 2 years) character and work ethic has come in to question, would be worrisome for me. Obviously his poor season last year is a major part of it too. They are just sending out very mixed signals, which is possibly what they want. But like I said, I feel like Sanchez deserved a pass for last season. If he stunk again this year, he would have had one year left on his contract (before the extention) and then they could have re-evaluated their stance on him.

Instead, they give him the extention (after flirting with Peyton Manning) and now trade for a QB who might not be a skilled as Sanchez, but has to be one of the biggest competitors in the league. Not to mention that he is loved by everyone. I just think the Jets put themseleves in a no-win situation, not to mention cloudying the relationship between Sanchez and the front office.

I think you are thinking about it waaaaaaaaaay more than the players involved.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

OK
Sanchez is elite. There was a training camp last year. Elway has no ego. Tebow is not a competitor.
Clearly you are the authority on football and QBs around here.
Sounds right now?

Is this more humor?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Is this more humor?

Just inverting all the things I knew nothing about so they would sound correct for you. I am thinking this version sounds half-retarded though...

[MaTH716]

According to Adam Schefter

Filed to ESPN (1): Denver and Jets have encountered hangup in language in Tim Tebow's contract that could nullify trade.


(2) If the Tebow trade to Jets falls apart, St. Louis could wind up getting back into play. Sides sorting through details.

[MaTH716]

Continued:
Tim Tebow has $5 million worth of recapture language, meaning Jets would have to pay back money to Denver. Jets might be unwilling. Complex.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

According to Adam Schefter

Filed to ESPN (1): Denver and Jets have encountered hangup in language in Tim Tebow's contract that could nullify trade.


(2) If the Tebow trade to Jets falls apart, St. Louis could wind up getting back into play. Sides sorting through details.

at least there's no mention of 'skins.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Danzig

at least there's no mention of 'skins.

Yeah, that's cause Snyder is too busy trying to negotiate a deal bringing Sonny Jurgenson back to the team.....................

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Yeah, that's cause Snyder is too busy trying to negotiate a deal bringing Sonny Jurgenson back to the team.....................

poor sonny. he gets so disgusted when they're calling the games. and old as he is, he probably still would be an improvement over many of the qb's they've had!

[Cannon Shell]

If a player with Tebow's skill set only was going to the Jets it would makes some sense from an on the field angle. But because of the circus that surrounds Tebow and the fairly shaky ground that the incumbent QB is on it is an unusual move. Fair or not the outcry will be huge if Sanchez has a few poor games or gets hurt and Tebow plays well in his absence. Of course in NY everything is magnified and QB controversies are a part of life but the name Tebow makes things that much crazier.

Of course neither Sanchez or Tebow is a David Garrard...

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

With all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about. Tebow couldn't outwork anyone in camp last year. All of the sudden he's an elite talent? An elite talent that was able to be obtained for a 4th round pick?

$20 isn't enough.

Eagles got a guy with elite talent for a 4th round pick yesterday.

[MaTH716]

More from Twitter:
Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter
One league source said he believes Tim Tebow trade with Jets will go through. But contractual issues now complicating it.

Jets-Broncos agreed to Tim Tebow trade before Denver asked NY to pay back portion of bonuses and salary already paid to Tebow. No deal yet.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Look, I'm glad Tebow is coming to the Jets, but let's not get too crazy with Tebow here.

If anyone seriously wanted him, the Broncos would have been able to get more for him. No one, even the team he helped make the playoffs last year, buy him as a starting QB.

He's not going to beat Sanchez out as starter ever.

Dude you said awhile back that you didn't want Manning and now you are saying you are happy Tebow is coming.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If a player with Tebow's skill set only was going to the Jets it would makes some sense from an on the field angle. But because of the circus that surrounds Tebow and the fairly shaky ground that the incumbent QB is on it is an unusual move. Fair or not the outcry will be huge if Sanchez has a few poor games or gets hurt and Tebow plays well in his absence. Of course in NY everything is magnified and QB controversies are a part of life but the name Tebow makes things that much crazier.

Of course neither Sanchez or Tebow is a David Garrard...

I think Tebow will take 10 to 15 snaps a game at the QB position. Probably will throw 2 to 3 passes a game VS 8-to-12 running plays. For some plays, he will be on the field together with Sanchez.

At the NFL combine, Rex Ryan kept telling the NFL Network analysts that he wanted to be the runaway league leader in rushing attempts next season. I know this because I DVR Path to the Draft everyday

I doubt things like " outside distractions" and "media circus" or Sanchez's feelings mean anything at all to Rex Ryan. That's all BS anyway to someone like Ryan...and he shows his disdain for it by how he conducts himself and the type of players he has gone after.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I think Tebow will take 10 to 15 snaps a game at the QB position. Probably will throw 2 to 3 passes a game VS 8-to-12 running plays. For some plays, he will be on the field together with Sanchez.

At the NFL combine, Rex Ryan kept telling the NFL Network analysts that he wanted to be the runaway league leader in rushing attempts next season. I know this because I DVR Path to the Draft everyday

I doubt things like " outside distractions" and "media circus" or Sanchez's feelings mean anything at all to Rex Ryan. That's all BS anyway to someone like Ryan...and he shows his disdain for it by how he conducts himself and the type of players he has gone after.

Lol, Rex Ryan seemingly puts media distractions ahead of everything else at times. If you don't think that the NY media has a huge influence both positive and negative on the sports teams there you haven't been paying attention. Especially for the team that missed the playoffs last year and plays in the same stadium with the team that just won the Super Bowl. Who cares what Rex Ryan thinks, the players read papers, have agents and friends and family that will make them accutely aware of what is being said. When the fans start chanting "we want tebow" after Sanchez throws a bad pick, think that a guy with a 78 lifetime QB rating isnt going to be affected? Perhaps they figure that Tebow will actually deflect a lot of the media attention away from the other issues but that can backfire as well.

The wildcat doesnt work anymore except for perhaps a play or two a game. Lets not forget that most of Tebow's 4th quarter rallies were after 3 ineffective quarters of stagnant offense. The hardest part of being the runaway leader in rushing attempts is having 2 QB's that the defenses dont consider much of a passing threat.

I dont think Sanchez is anymore than an mediocre NFL QB (outside of the top 7 or 8 guys who isnt?) and putting the most popular player in the game behind him on the depth chart just seems like a potentially bad idea especially when that same back up isnt really a better option. Sure if they get off to a 5-0 start it wont matter a damn bit but this could be the move that could be the end of the current team front office and coach if it backfires.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by jms62

Dude you said awhile back that you didn't want Manning and now you are saying you are happy Tebow is coming.

I don't know why that is such a surprise. I don't want him as the Jets starter. But if they form some packages for him, that they can use throughout the game, I think with his skill set, it could work well.

Sanchez is the Jets guy for better or worse. I don't think anyone in Jets management thought about bringing Tebow in to compete for the starting QB job. He's being brought in for a specific job.

I think Tebow is a professional and will do the job well. He's not going to be crying about playing time like other guys might.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I don't know why that is such a surprise. I don't want him as the Jets starter. But if they form some packages for him, that they can use throughout the game, I think with his skill set, it could work well.

Sanchez is the Jets guy for better or worse. I don't think anyone in Jets management thought about bringing Tebow in to compete for the starting QB job. He's being brought in for a specific job.

I think Tebow is a professional and will do the job well. He's not going to be crying about playing time like other guys might.

Whats this great package? When Tebow is in the game with the Sanchise you isolate a Linebacker on him. He is either going to run, fake for play action or pass. As long as the DB's assume he is going to pass and you have a linebacker isolated on him to stop the run. Wildcat is like the Wishbone, extinct. Tebows game is running when the defense is spread covering the pass. Whole different ballgame as the Wildcat.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by jms62

Whats this great package? When Tebow is in the game with the Sanchise you isolate a Linebacker on him. He is either going to run, fake for play action or pass. As long as the DB's assume he is going to pass and you have a linebacker isolated on him to stop the run. Wildcat is like the Wishbone, extinct. Tebows game is running when the defense is spread covering the pass. Whole different ballgame as the Wildcat.

We'll agree to disagree.

I think it's going to work if it gets done.

[MaTH716]

According to Schefter, It is going to be the Jets.

[Danzig]

looks like a deal has been reached. tebow going to ny.

Funny if he gets corrupted in that clubhouse a la Mickey Mantle with Billy Martin. Waiting to see a NY Post picture of Timmy pimped out with lots of bling with a "Jersey Shore" type stripper hanging off each arm at 4:00 in the morning!


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