The Great Republican Hope

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

We know ya don't get it. On this, you're simply unteachable. He blew away Hillary n' McCain with one of the best organized campaigns ever. People worked very hard for him. Now, somehow, in that brain of Gales, this is not registering as leadership. Hey, I underestimated his ability to get people to follow him(Gales, people follow leaders.) Somehow, he got more votes in Indiana(Bush won there by like 15 n' 20%.) That cost me 2k(in winnings...only $50 in money bet.) Gales, three hours after I made the bet, guess what happened. Seems Mr. Obama (who you say can't lead) somehow got Mr. Colin Powell to disagree with you on that. Guess what. Scuds boat was sunk in Indiana on that day. BTW, your only shot at beating OBAMA in 2012 is by somehow convincing this other guy(POWELL) to run. It's about those independent voters, and you're not gunna get them with a Bush, a Newt, or a Holy Roller Hockey Mom. Keep talking about what experience they've had running stuff. It doesn't matter. They will not vote for them. The rich Mormon that talks down to people? They ain't gunna vote for him. Look at who ya just tried to win with. You tried to win with an opposition leader. Other than Powell, that's pretty much all you've got(opposition leaders.) What is Jeb Bush? He's pretty much Bob Dole without the pencil in his hand. You keep ridin' that puppy. See where it gets ya.

tell me why if Jeb goes he ain't going to win florida , he's is , if things ain't better 4 yrs from now and we ain't moving forward ,gpk will tell you NC and VA will go back to the Republican side. As for Ohio and Indiana - these 2 states will go the way of the economy , he ain't winning those on message , people will have to be working porductivly for him to win there , no redo the numbers and all of a sudden it don't look like a landslide

don't forget scuds , this race was a tired old 72 yr man vs a young vibrant 47 yr old , he won't have the luxury of running against a guy that doesn't want the job next time- we shall see

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by gales0678

tell me why if Jeb goes he ain't going to win florida , he's is , if things ain't better 4 yrs from now and we ain't moving forward ,gpk will tell you NC and VA will go back to the Republican side. As for Ohio and Indiana - these 2 states will go the way of the economy , he ain't winning those on message , people will have to be working porductivly for him to win there , no redo the numbers and all of a sudden it don't look like a landslide

don't forget scuds , this race was a tired old 72 yr man vs a young vibrant 47 yr old , he won't have the luxury of running against a guy that doesn't want the job next time- we shall see

Yea, o.k. Clinton, Reagan, and G.W. all held serve, but you're gunna kick out OBA in just 4 years. You're not in touch with reality. Trust me, Carter and the older Bush ran into much better leaders (naturals for the job.) The guy you're talking about is in the Mondale, Dole, Kerry category.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yea, o.k. Clinton, Reagan, and G.W. all held serve, but you're gunna kick out OBA in just 4 years. You're not in touch with reality. Trust me, Carter and the older Bush ran into much better leaders (naturals for the job.) The guy you're talking about is in the Mondale, Dole, Kerry category.

i ain't kicken him out, all i'm saying is that it ain't an automatic 8 yrs for him, things can get worse , his massive spending may not work ,what if the japs and chinesse stop buying our debt , where do we get the $$$

he sits in a good spot right now , but 4 yrs , a lot can happen

reagan and clinton jogged against weak comp

GW didn't win by much over a stiff in Kerry

GHWB has approval ratings in the mid to high 50's in the winter of '91 - he lost in part to ross perot and the tanking of the economy - clinton was in the right place at the right time

don't think for a second that obama is a lock in '12 - far far from it

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Bush barely got back into office for a second term. You can credit spin and a lack of a viable democratic opponent.

People arent going to simply vote Obama out. He is too charismatic. If he is going to lose, someone will have to beat him. There certainly isnt anyone around right now that could fit the bill. Of course, we do have three years.

He will be booted if a jiffy if the economy does not recover.
The people will simple vote anyone out, including God if the economy is not in order. The cascading effect a bad economy has with crime, jobs, etc... will lead to the conclusion he is too soft on crime, his health care ruined the opportunity for new jobs... anything and everything can be blamed on a bad economy.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

He's would have to lose his health. Gales, he could get shot. I'm surprised some white trash hasn't at least wounded him yet.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He's would have to lose his health. Gales, he could get shot. I'm surprised some white trash hasn't at least wounded him yet.

i dis-agree , if his policies don't make the cut , he's out

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i dis-agree , if his policies don't make the cut , he's out

scuds - you know you see these 4/5 shots lose every day

http://linesmaker.com/live_odds/us_p...ction_odds.htm

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

He will be booted if a jiffy if the economy does not recover.
The people will simple vote anyone out, including God if the economy is not in order. The cascading effect a bad economy has with crime, jobs, etc... will lead to the conclusion he is too soft on crime, his health care ruined the opportunity for new jobs... anything and everything can be blamed on a bad economy.

Well, gee, if the economy is bad, what to do? What to do? HMMM...Start giving somebody an a-s-s kickin' somewhere in the world. Seems to work pretty well. It's not like he came in with a nice economy. He'll resign if he thinks he failed, or can't do it. If he's in an election, he's gunna win it. The only one with a chance to beat him is Powell(he won't run.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by gales0678

scuds - you know you see these 4/5 shots lose every day

http://linesmaker.com/live_odds/us_p...ction_odds.htm

Huckabee has the right personality for the job. Too Conservative though. If he just starts playing that bass, maybe they'll overlook it. I'll listen to that guy. I ain't gunna listen to Jeb Bush. Just will put me to sleep.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well, gee, if the economy is bad, what to do? What to do? HMMM...Start giving somebody an a-s-s kickin' somewhere in the world. Seems to work pretty well. 1.It's not like he came in with a nice economy. 2.He'll resign if he thinks he failed, or can't do it. If he's in an election, he's gunna win it. The only one with a chance to beat him is Powell(he won't run.)

1.Which is why he won.
The war and numerous cases of lack of oversight in so many sectors did it.

2. That is a possibility but it still concludes in no second term.

We discussed the economy's role when you were still worried Obama might not win. Bush was a hero after 9/11. He was still good enough to win a next term even with a war going bad because the economy had not tanked.

We started the ass kickin before the economy really turned south.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

1.Which is why he won.
The war and numerous cases of lack of oversight in so many sectors did it.

2. That is a possibility but it still concludes in no second term.

We discussed the economy's role when you were still worried Obama might not win. Bush was a hero after 9/11. He was still good enough to win a next term even with a war going bad because the economy had not tanked.

We started the ass kickin before the economy really turned south.

The iraq war was preceeded by a recession.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

1.Which is why he won.
The war and numerous cases of lack of oversight in so many sectors did it.
2. That is a possibility but it still concludes in no second term.

We discussed the economy's role when you were still worried Obama might not win. Bush was a hero after 9/11. He was still good enough to win a next term even with a war going bad because the economy had not tanked.

We started the ass kickin before the economy really turned south.

It is impossible to say for sure what did it and it is more than a little bit of a stretch to say definitively that Obama needed those factors in order to win. It is imminently possible that Obama wins regardless of what was happening with the economy or the war for that matter.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

It is impossible to say for sure what did it and it is more than a little bit of a stretch to say definitively that Obama needed those factors in order to win. It is imminently possible that Obama wins regardless of what was happening with the economy or the war for that matter.

Of course it is. I would say its about a 1 mm stretch.

You had to have those major industrial states go bad.
That definitely helped Obama's cause and the change he said
would be implemented that no Republican would believe.

Now the Rep. are having to eat their words about change.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The iraq war was preceeded by a recession.

They did not know what to call it at the time.
I still have yet to hear a definition that everyone agrees on.
But it was clearly not the out and out crisis
we had before the election. Not even close.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

They did not know what to call it at the time.
I still have yet to hear a definition that everyone agrees on.
But it was clearly not the out and out crisis
we had before the election. Not even close.

No one ever calls a recession a recession until its over. The only reason this time is different is because its lasted so long.

We were certainly in a recession in 2001. Thats what made them lower the fed funds rate to begin with.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

For me it was simply because Obama was obviously intelligent. I couldn't do eight more years of dumb, aggressive, simple-minded, close-minded, non-reality based/non-scientific orientation based presidenting. The world is too complex and too scary.

And after hearing John McCain (who I LOVED and was eager to vote for, but that faded fast as the campaign trail advanced) in the last day say Obama should be more aggressive on rhetoric towards Iran's current "let's hope it's a revolution", I'm darn, DARN happy I didn't vote McCain, holy crap.

I worried alot about the experience, but knew he'd surround himself with those who knew, as he had repeatedly demonstrated his ego isn't too big to learn from others.

I really wish that alot of the Obama-haters, instead of listening to media interpretations and small soundbites (I don't care, right or left, doesn't matter), would look at the entire interview and judge for themselves.

For example, today I got a chance to watch the entire MSNBC interview (the one where Obama swatted the fly).

How can anybody say this man needs a teleprompter , or that he's not thought far ahead on the complexities of the bank bailouts, the car companies, the economy? Good lord, he's impressive!

This is an amazing post. I just don't know where to begin.

You watched an MSNBC interview (infomercial) and concluded that he doesnt need a telepromptor (though he uses one more extensively than any president in history, even those stupid ones), that he has "thought far ahead" on the economic issues and "complexities", and that he is generally impressive?

And you want to debate serious issues?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You obviously know my numbers are wrong, so you must have different ones, so post yours.

Your numbers are laughably wrong. I dont need to post numbers to know that.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

The economy stopped spiraling the first quarter of this year. Jobless numbers were released today, they are down for the first time in ages.

It could go back the other way, certainly, it's still dicey and there's alot yet to get through, but alot of our economic strength does depend on confidence in the way things are being directed.

Well then we are heading down a long road of financial misery based upon current poll numbers. Of course I have no idea what you are talking about...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

we'll revisit this in 4 yrs , but, if barack doesn't get us out of the toilet bowl and plunges us further down , bush will be live in '12

Jesus Gales who thinks he was a really good Gov? Enough of the Bushes except Vernon.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You seriously overestimate the supidity of republicans. Contrary to what you see on this forum, many republicans can be rather bright.

Yeah and contrary to what you hear all Bankers aren't heartless thieves