Bernardini IS - Page 13

#**241** 10-10-2006, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Preakness looks softer now then it did then. And I hate to say it but the Belmont is really only important if you win the other 2 races.

but we know that NOW, no one knew before the race unfolded how things were going to go.

LARHAGE · #**242** 10-10-2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

He made a black or white statement. There is a grey area and that's where Bernardini lives for right now.

If Invasor doesn't run in the BCC it will arguably be one of the weakest classic fields yet. Outside of Lava Man and Bernardini, there are nothing but a bunch of bridesmaids.

Horse racing is just like any other sport. Teams and individuals are always compared to past champions and there are certain accomplishments that have to be met before the masses concede their greatness.

And really all of the doubters are speaking up because the Bernardini goo gooism is getting ridiculous. He's a really good horse but there are many questions going into the big race that have yet to be answered.

I would be more inclined to side with the naysayers of Bernardini if he was just beating his fields or having to try real hard to get his victories, but come on people, this horse is winning these races in ridiculous ease, he looks like he's cantering down a bridle path for Gods sakes! I have had the awesome experience of seeing some great horses in my 30 plus years as a race fan. I live and breathe horses everyday of my life, I don't need to see anything else from my own two eyes to realize that this is indeed a very special horse.

It's too bad Albertrani can't put a gun to some trainers heads and make them enter against Bernardini, some people need drastic validation I guess.

Cajungator26 · #**243** 10-10-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I would be more inclined to side with the naysayers of Bernardini if he was just beating his fields or having to try real hard to get his victories, but come on people, this horse is winning these races in ridiculous ease, he looks like he's cantering down a bridle path for Gods sakes! I have had the awesome experience of seeing some great horses in my 30 plus years as a race fan. I live and breathe horses everyday of my life, I don't need to see anything else from my own two eyes to realize that this is indeed a very special horse.

It's too bad Albertrani can't put a gun to some trainers heads and make them enter against Bernardini, some people need drastic validation I guess.

I guess so...

He's not Pegasus. He's lost before and I'm sure he'll get beat again at some point in his career. I never said he wasn't a special horse... I'm just not willing to compare him to some of the all time greats just yet. He's never been challenged and I'm interested in seeing how he handles himself once he is (if he ever is

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#**244** 10-10-2006, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MLC

Jaipur in 1962: owner George D. Widnener didn't nominate for the Derby, preferred to try to win more prestigious Belmont instead. Jaipur won Withers (then run on the same day as the Derby), came back 2 weeks later to try the Preakness (1st attempt at 2 turns) and finished way out of the money. He won the Jersey Derby on Memorial Day (on a disqualification) and then won the Belmont.

You are the man!! Thank you.

#**245** 10-10-2006, 01:56 PM

In 1997, A.P. Indy's brilliant son Pulpit was wowing fans from January through April; he was the favorite for the Derby that year. Having never run as a two-year-old, he was being rushed to the big day. He ran a gallant fourth, suffering a career-ending injury. I think Tom Albertrani and Sheikh Maktoum remembered Pulpit as they mapped out Bernardini's campaign.

LARHAGE · #**246** 10-10-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I guess so...

He's not Pegasus. He's lost before and I'm sure he'll get beat again at some point in his career. I never said he wasn't a special horse... I'm just not willing to compare him to some of the all time greats just yet. He's never been challenged and I'm interested in seeing how he handles himself once he is (if he ever is

.)

Yeah, he lost his first start after hitting the gate, since than he's run in strictly stakes with no other horse getting within sniffing distance of him at the wire, 3 Grade 1's ..... but, I'm not convinced.

MLC · #**247** 10-10-2006, 02:18 PM

Not "the man", the woman.

#**248** 10-10-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

"Paisjpq" has been moderating for the past month and has been a tremendous help maintaining order here. She works in the industry; has total credibility in her knowledge of horses and the game and my full confidence as judge of what we are all trying to accomplish here as a community.

Having just read what went on here, I fully support her decision to give Dixie a week on the bench.. I appreciate everyone's zeal in posting their thoughts and opinions, but as stated numerous times previously, will NOT allow personal attacks and name-calling to rule the day around here...

Steve

Open Reply To Steve ...

Moderators should be moderate ... and understand that everyone here is an adult ... all of whom should be capable of dealing with whatever pixels may appear on their monitors.

"Bans" ... if they are to exist at all ... should be based on a specific set of rules ... clearly enunciated and understood by all ... not on the personal whims of a muscle-flexing "moderator." Football can't be played with moving goalposts ... and members of this forum shouldn't have to fear arbitrary expulsion based on the on-the-fly impulses of a sole arbitor.

My take: Short of persistent vulgarity and physical threats ... I don't believe anyone should be "banned" ... and certainly not for using the word "imbecile" and objecting to its deletion. Far worse things are posted on nearly every thread. As such ... I strongly disagree with the ban on Dixie.

It's your spaldeen ... and you can determine who plays with it ... but an atmosphere of interference and intimidation makes the entire concept much less palatable.

philcski · #**249** 10-10-2006, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Whose fault is it that Bernardini never gets looked in the eye, when Lava Man is life and death to beat the vaunted Brother Derek, Magnum, Super Frolic triumverate over and over again? Should Bernardini slow down and look horses in the eye like Seabiscuit? It's hilarious. You're criticizing him for being too fast. I'm sure if Bernardini had "looked in the eye" of Wanderin Boy or Bluegrass Cat or Sweetnorthernsaint and "fought to win," you'd all be praising him, right? Bull****. Everyone would be on their "he struggled to win" high horse. All this ****ing west coast horse does is beat up on the same tired nags all year long, and you want to give him more credit because he's a "fighter"? How about he's just slower than Bernardini? You really think Bernardini would've had to be urged to beat Brother Derek by 2 1/4?

Nope, he already beat him by 15 in the Preakness.

#**250** 10-10-2006, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Nope, he already beat him by 15 in the Preakness.

Hey Phil,

Nice to see you back ... keep on posting.

King Glorious · #**251** 10-10-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Nope, he already beat him by 15 in the Preakness.

Classic. And so true. Even Lava Man's trainer says that based on figures, he knows that Lava Man is going to have to step up and run a career best race to beat Bernardini.

The Bid · #**252** 10-10-2006, 04:08 PM

Hell have to run a career best to hit the board. He can forget about winning

ateamstupid · #**253** 10-10-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Nope, he already beat him by 15 in the Preakness.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I guess so...

He's not Pegasus. He's lost before and I'm sure he'll get beat again at some point in his career. I never said he wasn't a special horse... I'm just not willing to compare him to some of the all time greats just yet. He's never been challenged and I'm interested in seeing how he handles himself once he is (if he ever is .)

So what are we to do if he's never challenged? Obey pgardn's rules of constantly writing off his competition and never call him great? That's basically like saying he's too good to be considered great.

Cajungator26 · #**254** 10-10-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Thank you.

So what are we to do if he's never challenged? Obey pgardn's rules of constantly writing off his competition and never call him great? That's basically like saying he's too good to be considered great.

I'm sorry, but I can't call a horse "great" until he's proven he's great. So shoot me... we disagree on Bernardini. Can we agree to disagree? If he wins the BCC, I'll jump on his bandwagon with the rest of you guys, but seriously... this is ludicrous to call him the GOAT.

ateamstupid · #**255** 10-10-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'm sorry, but I can't call a horse "great" until he's proven he's great. So shoot me... we disagree on Bernardini. Can we agree to disagree? If he wins the BCC, I'll jump on his bandwagon with the rest of you guys, but seriously... this is ludicrous to call him the GOAT.

I'm not shooting you. I'm asking you a question. What if he's never challenged? Can he never be called great? Because that's how pgardn feels and I think that's ridiculous.

#**256** 10-10-2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm not shooting you. I'm asking you a question. What if he's never challenged? Can he never be called great? Because that's how pgardn feels and I think that's ridiculous.

Lets take pgardn's toys away.

Jesustapdancingchrist.

#**257** 10-10-2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm not shooting you. I'm asking you a question. What if he's never challenged? Can he never be called great? Because that's how pgardn feels and I think that's ridiculous.

If hes never challenged in the BCC and wins then yes you can still call him great. But don't count on him not being challenged. Invasor ain't Hemingway's key.

Cajungator26 · #**258** 10-10-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm not shooting you. I'm asking you a question. What if he's never challenged? Can he never be called great? Because that's how pgardn feels and I think that's ridiculous.

If he blows through the BCC field like he's done the past several races, then yeah, he's pretty amazing. He can only race what shows up... not his fault if others are freaked out. He'll be up against a lot more in the BCC than he has been all year and yes, you could call him great if he beat all of them in a similar fashion.

Gander · #**259** 10-10-2006, 04:23 PM

Nor is Invasor Dylan Thomas. Where did they get that goat? They should give him a long rest and point him towards the Fairplex 2007 meet.

#**260** 10-10-2006, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Nor is Invasor Dylan Thomas. Where did they get that goat? They should give him a long rest and point him towards the Fairplex 2007 meet.

Tim hes a European classic winner and he just didn't like the dirt.
Thats a little bit steep wouldn't you say?