McLaughlin with 3 positives; Gets 30 day ban..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

My tower is the same color as yours.. and my pants go on the same way too.

As Cannon Shell tells us all and I whole heartly believe him "he cant get a positive"

We all want change, Right that is what you and Satish have been working together on ..we all want more guys like Chuck to succeed and be rewarded for there ethics well then we might need to offend a few cheaters in the process even the nice ones.. BTW awesome trainers would still be awesome with or without meds IF the playing field was level. You have done an AMAZING job with Sanaan so why throw it down the drain?

While I am certainly eligible to get a positive test as is anyone who runs a horse under the current system but the pattern of abuse of some is damning

was the actual comment in post #69, not I "cant get a positive test" FWIW. Eric was speaking of getting a 'reputation' as a cheater. I said it cant happen to me because I wont be getting a regular series of positives.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

While I am certainly eligible to get a positive test as is anyone who runs a horse under the current system but the pattern of abuse of some is damning

was the actual comment in post #69, not I "cant get a positive test" FWIW. Eric was speaking of getting a 'reputation' as a cheater. I said it cant happen to me because I wont be getting a regular series of positives.

Chuck I have a cobra I can loan you.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Chuck I have a cobra I can loan you.

Send it to Freddy

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

While I am certainly eligible to get a positive test as is anyone who runs a horse under the current system but the pattern of abuse of some is damning

was the actual comment in post #69, not I "cant get a positive test" FWIW. Eric was speaking of getting a 'reputation' as a cheater. I said it cant happen to me because I wont be getting a regular series of positives.

Come on Chuck a gelding cant get a mare pregnant..If you dont cheat and you completely understand the rules and you train exclusively for owners that know as such in advance you dont get positives.. Like you have said and I am para phrasing there is a big difference between adaquan and cheater meds..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Come on Chuck a gelding cant get a mare pregnant..If you dont cheat and you completely understand the rules and you train exclusively for owners that know as such in advance you dont get positives.. Like you have said and I am para phrasing there is a big difference between adaquan and cheater meds..

Sabotage!!! Like Larry Jones and Jim Squires!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Send it to Freddy

My filly certainly could use a hit or two in her right front foot.. Is Cobra Venom dangerous if you a vet uses it discreetly?LOl

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I myfilly certainly could use a hit or two in her right front foot.. Is Cobra Venom dangerous if you a vet uses it discreetly?LOl

Getting the venom out of the cobra is the really dangerous part

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Come on Chuck a gelding cant get a mare pregnant..If you dont cheat and you completely understand the rules and you train exclusively for owners that know as such in advance you dont get positives.. Like you have said and I am para phrasing there is a big difference between adaquan and cheater meds..

each horse is different and each state is different. I feel someone could get an "accidental" positive when they are following a state guideline for withdrawl times.. but the horse in question has a slower metabolism.. I think a positive could come up that way even if everyone followed the rules.

Can that happen or am I crazy? (well dont answer the last part)

I dont know how often that happens though and I imagine its the first "excuse" used for all positives. LOL

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Sabotage!!! Like Larry Jones and Jim Squires!

friggin Scav's....................AGAIN lol

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

each horse is different and each state is different. I feel someone could get an "accidental" positive when they are following a state guideline for withdrawl times.. but the horse in question has a slower metabolism.. I think a positive could come up that way even if everyone followed the rules.

I dont know how often that happens though and I imagine its the first "excuse" used for all positives. LOL

followed quickly by the 'do you think i'm stupid' line.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Getting the venom out of the cobra is the really dangerous part

Petsmart makes it easy these days..you just have to go to the ones in France like Bianconne.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Getting the venom out of the cobra is the really dangerous part

This dude will do it for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Haast

[ironprospect]

I guess some people just don't realize, what's going to happen when the general public and the casual bettor ( lets say a couple of OTB visits a month) find out, just how crooked this business can be and is.

Sure they all suspect there is cheating but when some large news organizations, take your pick HBO, 60 Minutes, EsPN, etc... exposes one of the top level cheaters, the big national names and they nail, really nail them. And expose the fast and loose frequency of the cheating everywhere across North America.

What happens then??? Say a Kentucky Derby winner gets exposed six weeks after the fact. Today with 24 hour news organizations needing to fill time aka Tiger, gate crashers, balloon boy. Do you really think it stops with that particular incident or does every station in every town w/ a racetrack expose there local cheats, deserved or undeserved.

When does the sport recover from that? Does the sport recover from that or is it the final nail, leaving only slot money and insiders.

As for if its not tested for, then its not illegal.......how about this..... a douche bag changes one atom/molecule etc. in a date rape drug.

It's not illegal cause there not testing for it, cause they don't know it exists.................but its the same thing as the previous drug/same effect except its legal, only because its not specifically illegal. I'll say it. ITS JUST AS DISGUSTING


Thanks to Cannon Shell for saying as much as he did/was able to say in a public forum

[Riot]

So, listeners, do you appreciate what is being said about McLaughlin on ATR right now?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Riot

So, listeners, do you appreciate what is being said about McLaughlin on ATR right now?

What was said?

NT

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

What was said?

NT

As part of a much broader conversation in relation to his presentations at the Symposium and in relation to the BC proposal on Class 1/2 suspensions, Alan Foreman, who represents KMc in the case, said that they are going to work to clear Kiaran of the charge after the fact and that he did nothing wrong.

As with all "big" outfits there are way to many horses for the Top Dog to know what is going on. Now his brother Neal on the other hand is an interesting character to watch around track in the mornings. Also intersting that you can't get to close to his barn at Saratoga when the medicine doctor(vet) shows up.

Old saying boyz...Where there is smoke there usually is fire.


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[Riot]

You can't really "get into" anybody's barn when the vet is there. It's nobody's business what is going on with any horses not your own.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Riot

You can't really "get into" anybody's barn when the vet is there. It's nobody's business what is going on with any horses not your own.

Do you believe the vet information that is available on all CA horses should not be available to the public?

Originally Posted by Riot

You can't really "get into" anybody's barn when the vet is there. It's nobody's business what is going on with any horses not your own.

Interesting....spent a lot time at Godolphin's barn this summer when the vet was there? Totally disagree that it is "nobody's" business. That's the problem it is our business.

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