Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There will be thousands of tickets basically being given away outside the track on both days.....with MANY more on Friday.

Even at Churchill there were tons of cheap tickets available outside on Saturday. Hell, we ate one or two.

one of our local radio shows reiterated this point today.

if you want to attend, just show up and someone will have a ticket for you.

[Bobby Fischer]

Duke of Marmalade, Henrythenavigator, Raven’s Pass


I KNOW some of you guys are familiar with these horses, or have an opinion on them regarding the classic?

Lets talk about the 3 invaders in the BC.

[Bobby Fischer]

I think the invaders deserve as much respect and thorough handicapping as is given foreign shippers into races like BC Turf and Turf Mile.

I have some rough ideas about these guys' correct me, debate, offer your own etc...

Duke of Marmalade – might have a little tactical speed, has more experience at distances a little longer than a mile. Seems consistent. Maybe not a top class 12 furlong Turf Horse - but pretty good, and very tough intermediate distances, strong looking solid animal

Henrythenavigator – did he peak around the 2,000 guineas? nice looking horse, game in the stretch, likes a firm ground, Seems very close to Raven's Pass

Raven’s Pass – maybe a slightly later developer, just now reaching a peak? Seemed that riding tactics played a role in duel with HTN? = wanted to get first run..

Oh my god.

[geeker2]

I had a friend just bail on me..if anyone is interested I have a seat for Fri/Sat Section P... also I have a Clubhouse pass for Sat.

Just PM me if interested.

[Quiet Chris]

All three are very live basically because they have a huge class edge over everyone except Curlin. Duke looks very live at this distance, but I think Raven's Pass will put in the best showing of the three. He gets Frankie Dettori and I like the fact that he is an Elusive Quality.

[GPK]

I'm thinking after this we can discuss the merits of Jelly Roll Rumble and his chances in the Dirt Marathon

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by GPK

I'm thinking after this we can discuss the merits of Jelly Roll Rumble and his chances in the Dirt Marathon

I'm missing something here. What's wrong with the topic of this thread? Seems useful enough for me.

--Dunbar

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

I'm missing something here. What's wrong with the topic of this thread? Seems useful enough for me.

--Dunbar

It'd be useful if the author, and the contributors, had a CLUE. Last time Fischer gave out a winner, the Berlin Wall was still up. Yet, he insists on offering his opinion on just about everything. Come on Bobby, let's put those PUERILE PACE FIGURES to use. Or that innovative show wagering system.

As for Quiet Chris: how did he escape my iggy bin?

And notice that when Fischer OPINES, DaHoss is not far behind.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Can someone tell me what The Closeted Man just said. He's in my IGGY bin, so I can't read it. Does everyone here know about TRAKUS? I do. What about BIKE RIDING? I know about that too. I have also shown unlimited ways to BLAME OTHERS for my obvious shortcomings when it comes to "gambling". I've also only been following the sport for a few years, but I'll tell you all about it, because I ride a BIKE. I hate ANNOUNCERS. Have I mentioned that before? I also love telling people about MY IGGY BIN. Have I mentioned that? Jerkoff....

Hoss,
I'm trying to find the head on replay of your post.....and I can't .......damn when is the technology going to catch up........crap it must be the jockey's fault.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This has all the makings of a classic.

good input on the race

[Pedigree Ann]

Raven's Pass is one tough customer; he doesn't go under without a fight. His losses, apart from those at the straight track at Newmarket, are none of them over 1.5 lengths. He was very good early at 2, and was beaten only a head by champion 2yo and subsequent Derby winner New Approach in the Dewhurst S(G1), which is Britain's championship event for 2yos. He went a long stretch over the spring and summer without a win (behind Henry 3 times), but seemed to have taken heart from his G3 win in August to finally peg back Henry in the QEII and may be maturing later than that one. His half-brother Gigawatt certainly seems to have gone through a 'dead zone' at three after having been a SW at 2 before having his best years as an older horse; he was a dirt horse AND a turf horse.

The major knock against Raven's Pass is that he has never run at a distance beyond 8f. Sire Elusive Quality and half-bro Gigawatt were also milers, so one must wonder about his effectiveness at 10f. But his quality is quite high - they have a darned good group of 3yos in Europe this year - which can carry milers another couple furlongs beyond their optimum trip. And, oh yes, Raven's Pass has also won on a left-handed course.

[Bobby Fischer]

I ride PELOTON daily.

fatman would be great to discuss racing with if he wasn't anti-social

honestly I AM CLUELESS about these 3 euros.
The synthetic track opens some possibilities to turf horses.
Not sure if Santa Anita Pro Ride might be a little more speed friendly than other synthetics, or how the Euros will transfer over.

I don't even have a strong feeling about which is the best of the 3??
Henrythenavigator is starting to get bet at ladbrokes and thegreek...


thegreek
curlin = 2.25/1
Henrythenavigator= 8.25/1
Ravens Pass =10.15/1
Duke of Marmalade = 10.15/1

ladbrokes
curlin = 3/1
Henrythenavigator= 5/1
Ravens Pass =8/1
Duke of Marmalade = 12/1

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Raven's Pass is one tough customer; he doesn't go under without a fight. His losses, apart from those at the straight track at Newmarket, are none of them over 1.5 lengths. He was very good early at 2, and was beaten only a head by champion 2yo and subsequent Derby winner New Approach in the Dewhurst S(G1), which is Britain's championship event for 2yos. He went a long stretch over the spring and summer without a win (behind Henry 3 times), but seemed to have taken heart from his G3 win in August to finally peg back Henry in the QEII and may be maturing later than that one. His half-brother Gigawatt certainly seems to have gone through a 'dead zone' at three after having been a SW at 2 before having his best years as an older horse; he was a dirt horse AND a turf horse.

The major knock against Raven's Pass is that he has never run at a distance beyond 8f. Sire Elusive Quality and half-bro Gigawatt were also milers, so one must wonder about his effectiveness at 10f. But his quality is quite high - they have a darned good group of 3yos in Europe this year - which can carry milers another couple furlongs beyond their optimum trip. And, oh yes, Raven's Pass has also won on a left-handed course.

good info.

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Raven's Pass is one tough customer; he doesn't go under without a fight. His losses, apart from those at the straight track at Newmarket, are none of them over 1.5 lengths. He was very good early at 2, and was beaten only a head by champion 2yo and subsequent Derby winner New Approach in the Dewhurst S(G1), which is Britain's championship event for 2yos. He went a long stretch over the spring and summer without a win (behind Henry 3 times), but seemed to have taken heart from his G3 win in August to finally peg back Henry in the QEII and may be maturing later than that one. His half-brother Gigawatt certainly seems to have gone through a 'dead zone' at three after having been a SW at 2 before having his best years as an older horse; he was a dirt horse AND a turf horse.

The major knock against Raven's Pass is that he has never run at a distance beyond 8f. Sire Elusive Quality and half-bro Gigawatt were also milers, so one must wonder about his effectiveness at 10f. But his quality is quite high - they have a darned good group of 3yos in Europe this year - which can carry milers another couple furlongs beyond their optimum trip. And, oh yes, Raven's Pass has also won on a left-handed course.

Oh my god.

[Pedigree Ann]

Which statement do you disagree with?
a) superior milers can win going 10fs - Northern Dancer, Dr. Fager, Precisionist were all essentially milers but could win at longer races because of their quality.
b) the top 3yos in Britain/Ireland/Europe are a darned good group. Sophomores finished 1-2 in both the big wfa mile races in Britain this year; Derby winner New Approach was third in the York International (held at Newmarket because of flooding) after he came out of the gate throwing his head and fighting his jock the first quarter mile, then slaughtered his elders in the Irish Champion and yesterday's Champion S. And don't forget the 3yo filly Zarkava, who won the Arc.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Which statement do you disagree with?
a) superior milers can win going 10fs ...

Yea, European turf horses are pretty much expected to add distance in America...

not sure how unique Raven's Pass is in that regard being by Elusive Quality?

[hockey2315]

Duke of Marmalade - obviously a top 10F turf horse in Europe. . . Playing against because horses are often over the top after running in the Arc and then going to the BC.

Henrythenavigator - some say he may be on the decline off of his last two, but those were on softer turf - he had a slightly tougher trip than Raven's Pass in the QEII and obviously he still ran a pretty big race. His pedigree suggests he'll appreciate the stretch-out and he should take to the synthetic. He's my play if he stays near 8-1.

Raven's Pass - seems to be improving. Win last time over HTN was pretty nice, but he may have had a slight trip advantage and liked the soft turf more than HTN. His pedigree is somewhat of a question at the distance, but he's got a shot if Curlin doesn't take to the synthetic and he outruns or outrips HTN.

[hockey2315]

What's the problem hossy?

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Thanks. Shouldn't you be making fake bets, or begging me for help through pm?

more good input on the race. your on a roll