Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker

[geeker2]

It kinda reminded me of the passage of Obamakare - except Riot and the DEMS thought that was OK procedurally and legal.

Being in the majority has its perks.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by geeker2

It kinda reminded me of the passage of Obamakare - except Riot and the DEMS thought that was OK procedurally and legal.

Being in the majority has its perks.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I triple those trophies!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by geeker2

It kinda reminded me of the passage of Obamakare - except Riot and the DEMS thought that was OK procedurally and legal.
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What an absurd contention. Of course and beyond obviously the passage of that law was entirely legal and procedurally valid. Nobody has ever questioned that, not even the GOP.

That law was also available to the public on the internet for several days before the final vote. It wasn't passed with the Committee Chair outright refusing to give out copies of the law, nor was it passed secretly without proper notice.

You must be mouthing today's right-wing blogosphere meme whining about "reconciliation". Except reconciliation wasn't used to pass the majority of the PPACA. Try again.

It's kind of embarrassing, the pro-Walker talking points being handed out about this over the past couple days. They are simply inaccurate. It does prove how many don't pay any attention whatsoever to what happens in Washington, even for huge deals (like the PPACA)

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

I thought all the polls showed the public was in favor of the democrats and against walker. If this is actually the case how would that help the republicans in 2012

It won't. The GOP attempt to strip their opposition financially is failing, big time.

The 2012 election will be won in the midwest: Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio. It's nice of Walker to put Wisconsin fully in the "blue" column.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I think the WI 14 resigned and should have been replaced immediately
they only like democracy when it is a means to an end

destroy liberty

As is being seen in Wisconsin, trying to be a dictator in a democratic republic doesn't work very well.

[nebrady]

Seriously lady you don't live in wisconsin and this has become an absolute joke. Those 14 democrats are a bunch of children playing hide n seek! We don't like that we aren't in control anymore so instead of doing there job lets go hide in illinois! Give me a break! Get your asses back and vote! As for walker he got voted in on the basis that he would help balance wisconsin's budget. Hes trying to fix something that has been needed for awhile. Democrats are still mad that the train fell through, which would have cost the state in the long run. Not to mention you have idiots like jesse jackson and michael moore coming to the state to preach their garbage. The us isn't broke is moore for real. Its time these idiots quit being children get back to wisconsin and vote. Thats what they were elected to do!

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Riot

What an absurd contention. Of course and beyond obviously the passage of that law was entirely legal and procedurally valid. Nobody has ever questioned that, not even the GOP.

That law was also available to the public on the internet for several days before the final vote. It wasn't passed with the Committee Chair outright refusing to give out copies of the law, nor was it passed secretly without proper notice.

You must be mouthing today's right-wing blogosphere meme whining about "reconciliation". Except reconciliation wasn't used to pass the majority of the PPACA. Try again.

It's kind of embarrassing, the pro-Walker talking points being handed out about this over the past couple days. They are simply inaccurate. It does prove how many don't pay any attention whatsoever to what happens in Washington, even for huge deals (like the PPACA)

Ror!!

Besides all the whinning and crying there is no way this vote will ever be considered illegal - no matter how much you or the Dems or Michael Moore or Jesse Jackass wish it to be so.

They need to change their chant to "It's all over...It's all over" !!

Now get back to work and do something productive like the rest of us.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Ror!!

Really? Please, go ahead explain the similarities to us all.

Besides all the whinning and crying there is no way this vote will ever be considered illegal .

We'll see. Your Republican Attorney General appears to be on the side of the open meetings law.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by nebrady

Seriously lady you don't live in wisconsin and this has become an absolute joke. Those 14 democrats are a bunch of children playing hide n seek! We don't like that we aren't in control anymore so instead of doing there job lets go hide in illinois! Give me a break! Get your asses back and vote! As for walker he got voted in on the basis that he would help balance wisconsin's budget. Hes trying to fix something that has been needed for awhile. Democrats are still mad that the train fell through, which would have cost the state in the long run. Not to mention you have idiots like jesse jackson and michael moore coming to the state to preach their garbage. The us isn't broke is moore for real. Its time these idiots quit being children get back to wisconsin and vote. Thats what they were elected to do!

There is zero in the union busting that balances the budget. Walker lies.

You guys all repeat the very same talking points. Well done!

[Riot]

Oh, yeah, this is all about those evil kindergarten teachers, and police and firemen, busting the budget, those greedy, elite, rich sots!

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...-next-week.php

Major DC Lobby Firm Throwing Fundraiser For Wisconsin GOP Leaders

On the heels of their 18-1, Democratic Senator-free vote to roll back collective bargaining rights for thousands of state workers, Republican leaders of the Wisconsin state Senate will head to a high-price fundraiser in their honor in DC.

According to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel key players in the Wisconsin GOP will gather at the downtown DC headquarters of lobbying firm BGR Group March 16 for an event that donors "are asked to give at least $1,000 to the state Republican Party's federal account" to attend.

It takes $1,000 to get you in the door, but "sponsors" are asked to pony up $2,500 and "hosts" 5,000.

Rest of story at .....

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Riot

There is zero in the union busting that balances the budget. Walker lies.

You guys all repeat the very same talking points. Well done!

All this from Ms Riot Huffington - you are such a hypocrite.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by geeker2

All this from Ms Riot Huffington - you are such a hypocrite.

And you're a doody-headed poopy mouth!

(easier to just post like you do, than try and make any sense out of your non-answers)

Do tell - you said that Walker shoving through this bill reminded you of how the PPACA was passed. And my asking you to explain how you remotely think those two things have any similarity makes me a hypocrite how?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Riot

And you're a doody-headed poopy mouth!

(easier to just post like you do, than try and make any sense out of your non-answers)

Do tell - you said that Walker shoving through this bill reminded you of how the PPACA was passed. And my asking you to explain how you remotely think those two things have any similarity makes me a hypocrite how?

Nice work Ms Twistoflex..

You' re a hypocrite because of statements like this -

"You guys all repeat the very same talking points. Well done!"

You seem to think you are some visionary that is thinking outside the box - all you do is spout and quote huffington.


My point on Obamakare and the Repair Bill is that both were done through procedural moves by the parties in charge - you liked it when the DEM did it - but you didn't like it when the GOP did it. So you all cry foul and say it's is illegal and it's union busting and people are going homeless and can't pay their mortgages blablabla & wawawawawawa...

I say too bad - sometimes your the stick and sometimes your the ball.

You lost ! Now get over it and stop wasting more tax payer money and time.

The DEM's should hang their heads in shame just for allowing Michael Moore and Jesse Jackass anywhere near the issue.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Nice work Ms Twistoflex..

You' re a hypocrite because of statements like this -

"You guys all repeat the very same talking points. Well done!"

You seem to think you are some visionary that is thinking outside the box - all you do is spout and quote huffington.

LOL - nice to know you read the Huffington Post on a regular daily basis. Why don't you post some of my "quotes"?

Nope, I'm no visionary. I just see what happens, and form my own opinion. You just really can't stand that it doesn't agree with your own. Seems to make you really angry. You ever read AP? Daily Beast? WSJ?

My point on Obamakare and the Repair Bill is that both were done through procedural moves by the parties in charge - you liked it when the DEM did it - but you didn't like it when the GOP did it.

I've asked you to explain several times what "procedural move" you think was involved in the passing of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. What was "illegal" about that passage? You so far have refused.

Probably because there wasn't one. Just a regular old bill, debated to death over months, passed by voting.

So you all cry foul and say it's is illegal and it's union busting and people are going homeless and can't pay their mortgages blablabla & wawawawawawa...

Yes, the committee meeting appeared illegal. Yes, Walker is only interested in union busting, which has been pretty well proven without a doubt.

The homeless and mortgages stuff must just be your own assumptive prejudices speaking. Sorry, I take no responsibility for the crazy angry voices in your head. Who is "you all" - are you seeing other people? Are you talking to someone other than me? Again, I take no responsibility for what someone else, not me, says. No matter how hard you try to lump "you all" into one big group you can dislike, that you can assume thinks and acts exactly the same, as your fearful imagination tells you.

I say too bad - sometimes your the stick and sometimes your the ball.

Remember that when the Wisconsin state Senate turns Democratic in 5 months.

The DEM's should hang their heads in shame just for allowing Michael Moore and Jesse Jackass anywhere near the issue.

You really seem to have a personal problem with Jesse Jackson and Michael Moore. I only saw that each one was up there for a few hours. And as the Democrats in question were out of state, how where "the Dems" responsible for "allowing" these particular citizens to appear in public places and publicly protest? Which "Dems"? Strange for you to fixate on that. Why would you? You sure seem to assume alot about other groups you don't like.

[Riot]

I hope Walker budgeted for this stuff (like the half-million he cost his county by illegally firing union workers in his last job)

http://www.wkow.com/global/story.asp?s=14225849

MADISON (WKOW) -- Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk and County Board Chair Scott McDonell have directed Dane County attorneys to pursue legal action related to state Senate Republicans passing the budget repair bill without Democrats present.

Falk issued the following statement Thursday:

"In my 35 years of working with the state legislature, I've never seen such a blatant abuse of power and process as what took place in our Capitol Wednesday evening.

"State officials take an oath to uphold the law and regardless of their zeal to achieve political means, they don't get to chose what laws they'll follow and when.

"This morning, Chair McDonell and I directed our county attorneys to take legal action today to ensure the laws and rules followed by public policymakers in this state for generations are followed."

http://www.cityofmadison.com/mayor/b...dex.cfm?Id=472

This Will Not Stand
March 10, 2011 9:22 AM
by Madison Mayor Dave Cieslewicz

Madison's City Attorney Mike May believes that the action taken last night by Senate Republicans to pass union busting provisions of the budget repair bill was in violation of the state's open meetings law because it was not properly noticed. Their action may also have involved fiscal matters that still require a higher quorum than was present without Senate Democrats.

I've asked Mike to join any action he deems appropriate in the courts this morning to reverse the Senate's illegal action.

To quote Mike's email to alders and I this morning:

"The Office of the City Attorney (in compliance with State law) insists on 24 hours notice for any meeting, or adding any matter to an agenda, unless there is no way that 24 hours notice could have been given. Mere convenience or inadvertence is insufficient to meet the less than 24-hour notice. This is necessary to be in compliance with the Open Meetings Law. It is an essential element of government in Wisconsin.

"Today's action does not meet that test. It does not comply with Wisconsin Law.

"The action taken today will be struck down if challenged in court.

"Sec. 19.84(3), Stats.:

"'Public notice of every meeting of a governmental body shall be given at least 24 hours prior to the commencement of such meeting, unless for good cause such notice is impossible or impractical, in which case shorter notice may be given, but in no case may the notice be provided less than 2 hours in advance of the meeting.'

"Sec. 19.97(3), Stats.:

"'Any action taken at a meeting of a governmental body in violation of this subchapter is voidable ...'

"This aggression will not stand. If challenged in court, the action today would likely be voided as illegal."

[AeWingnut]

legislative process got you down
democracy not your friend
try intimidation, fear and violence

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...60-503544.html

[Riot]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

legislative process got you down
democracy not your friend
try intimidation, fear and violence

You mean like the death threats against Obama going up 400 times normal right after the election, and through the inauguration? Senate candidate Sharron Angle saying we should use our "second amendment remedies" if we don't like what our government is doing? Congresswoman Gabby Giffords being shot? Muslim-Kenyan-Communists are coming for YOU!?

Threats and violence are never right. Too bad that's become acceptable talk within the public sphere within the past couple of years.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You mean like the death threats against Obama going up 400 times normal right after the election, and through the inauguration? Senate candidate Sharron Angle saying we should use our "second amendment remedies" if we don't like what our government is doing? Congresswoman Gabby Giffords being shot? Muslim-Kenyan-Communists are coming for YOU!?

Threats and violence are never right. Too bad that's become acceptable talk within the public sphere within the past couple of years.

So after the 400X threat never came to fruition, you're still trying to connect Sharon Angle and Gabby Giffords' being shot? Hanging by a thread now. LOL

BTW maybe your 'Muslim-Kenyan-Communist' can show the way and as his daughters grow up driving, dating and marrying who they want, clitorises' intact, with no fear of being killed by their father for dishonoring him? Now were talking Obama the leader.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

As is being seen in Wisconsin, trying to be a dictator in a democratic republic doesn't work very well.

your side lost!....get over it!