2015: American Pharoah becomes 12th Triple Crown winner

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Not sure this is the forum to brag about beating your wife regularly.

That's one way to read it.

Have you stopped beating yours?

[asudevil]

Yawn!!!!

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Yawn!!!!

You mean you find the lectures boorish?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by tector

All the infighting aside, Haskin's "profiling", etc., it strikes me it is MUCH, MUCH harder to win the TC than in days past due to:

1. Changes in the breed
2. Changes in preferred training methods (largely a function of 1)
3. Changes in trainer tactics as to which races to participate in (largely a function of 2)
4. Field sizes

The Derby winner is being asked to do things that no other quality horse is ever asked to do today. Meanwhile, everybody else picks their spots and can adhere to a far more normal regimen, even though they are asked to go what is now a freakish distance in the Belmont.

Any horse that ever gets across those 3 wires first in only 5 weeks has done an unbelievably difficult thing in our present time--which, until equine-accommodating time machines are built, is the only time in which they can race. What is the most sensible bet is not something that can be determined until there is a live tote board. But I assume every racing fan is rooting for this horse.

I thought this was an interesting article regarding Baffert's training methods. Obviously it will take the right horse and a lot of luck to pull off the Triple Crown, but I think his preparation methods prepare a horse very well for the series.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...lassic-success

[RHT2004]

Bob is the best. Imagine his Belmont day if he wins the triple crown, Met Mile and Woody Stephens.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Bob is the best. Imagine his Belmont day if he wins the triple crown, Met Mile and Woody Stephens.

Not sure I'd be able to swallow the prices that will be attached to his horses that day. AP being low andBayern would be tough bc of how bad he was last time out. Secret Circle will be tough in the Woody Stephens if he goes.

Can't wait for that weekend to get here!

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Not sure I'd be able to swallow the prices that will be attached to his horses that day. AP being low andBayern would be tough bc of how bad he was last time out. Secret Circle will be tough in the Woody Stephens if he goes.

Can't wait for that weekend to get here!

Woody Stephens is restricted to 3yr olds. I see no reason why Secret Circle wouldn't come for the Belmont Sprint Championship.
I'm with you on not being able to wait. Very excited for that day.

[richard burch]

i just want rain. a lot of rain.

[NTamm1215]

It'll actually be awesome when he wins none of those!

Who the hell is he supposed to win the Woody with, Lord Nelson? Bayern better bounce back in a big way and the Belmont...

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You mean you find the lectures boorish?

Slightly.....

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

It'll actually be awesome when he wins none of those!

Who the hell is he supposed to win the Woody with, Lord Nelson? Bayern better bounce back in a big way and the Belmont...

Yeah, I can't figure out what lock he has for the Stephens, and if the story about Bayern almost being retired a few months ago is true, you can't like his chances.

I have no idea why you persist in underestimating AP, but him losing is unlikely.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Woody Stephens is restricted to 3yr olds. I see no reason why Secret Circle wouldn't come for the Belmont Sprint Championship.
I'm with you on not being able to wait. Very excited for that day.

Stupid me should've definitely know that. Can't even blame it on the "loud".

I'm leaving Philly at 6 a.m. Saturday morning. Going to be a long day!

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, I can't figure out what lock he has for the Stephens, and if the story about Bayern almost being retired a few months ago is true, you can't like his chances.

I have no idea why you persist in underestimating AP, but him losing is unlikely.

To be fair I did say imagine if. Never mentioned locks.
Lord Nelson 7f or less races have been tons better then him trying to go long. He should have won the Bay Shore.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

It'll actually be awesome when he wins none of those!

Who the hell is he supposed to win the Woody with, Lord Nelson? Bayern better bounce back in a big way and the Belmont...

Why do you hate Bob? As for Bayern is it unreasonable to assume he won't move forward 2nd start back? He was dealing with some issues over the winter, I'd guess him even showing up for the Met would mean he is healthy.

[outofthebox]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, I can't figure out what lock he has for the Stephens, and if the story about Bayern almost being retired a few months ago is true, you can't like his chances.

I have no idea why you persist in underestimating AP, but him losing is unlikely.

Lord Byron tries hard but can't see him beating Competitive Edge. I'm not jumping on the Bayern train till he stretches out two turns and projects as the pace setter. With AP i think he will be as ready as Baffert can have him. My only fear is Espinosa at Belmont. He just needs to drop the reins out of the gate and let the horse place himself.

[Fulla Sheets]

Originally Posted by tector

Any horse that ever gets across those 3 wires first in only 5 weeks has done an unbelievably difficult thing in our present time

He just won 3 races in 5 weeks, counting the Ark Derby through the Preakness. He'll be going for 5 wins in 12 weeks in the Belmont.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I thought this was an interesting article regarding Baffert's training methods. Obviously it will take the right horse and a lot of luck to pull off the Triple Crown, but I think his preparation methods prepare a horse very well for the series.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...lassic-success

That was a really interesting read; thank you for posting the link!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Why do you hate Bob? As for Bayern is it unreasonable to assume he won't move forward 2nd start back? He was dealing with some issues over the winter, I'd guess him even showing up for the Met would mean he is healthy.

What would make you think its personal, that he hates Bob? I have to say, when I'm at the track and people are yelling for the heavy fave....I shake my head. I'm pretty sure it's more about trying to get a big pay day. And the Belmont oftentimes produces that.

[Kasept]

6/6/15 (BEL): Belmont Stakes

American Pharoah (Baffert/V. Espinoza)
Keen Ice (Romans/Desormeaux)
Mubtaahij (de Kock/I. Ortiz)
Tale of Verve (Stewart/Stevens)
Madefromlucky (Pletcher/TBA)
Carpe Diem (Pletcher/Velazquez)
Materiality (Pletcher/Castellano)
Frosted (McLaughlin/Rosario)
Frammento (Zito/Smith)
War Story (Amoss/C. Hernandez)
Conquest Curlinate (Casse/Bridgmohan)

[Sightseek]

For anyone else who can obsessively watch horses all day, today's workouts are on NYRA's youtube page.