Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker

[Riot]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

the whole concept of the union is to coerce or bully another party to get their way. whether its a state or government body or a company, the union basically puts a gun to their head and says you'll give us these wages and benefits or else we'll shut everything down. physical violence and intimidation are all part of their sop.

Not very common in current times, especially with those unions who are prevented by contract from striking, but hey, hyperbole helps the case I guess.

The weeks of peaceful, non-violent protest in Wisconsin, for example. Yeah, lots of "physical violence" "beating" and "intimidation" going on there

Down with unions! They are the current fad scapegoat! Kindergarten teachers suck and threaten me! The Republicans told me so!

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not very common in current times, especially with those unions who are prevented by contract from striking, but hey, hyperbole helps the case I guess.

The weeks of peaceful, non-violent protest in Wisconsin, for example. Yeah, lots of "physical violence" "beating" and "intimidation" going on there

Down with unions! They are the current fad scapegoat! Kindergarten teachers suck and threaten me! The Republicans told me so!

If you believe that the people are being peaceful and non threatening you really are a fool. Any one ever threaten your life or your family? I know that would not be considered peaceful in my world

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Also, it makes perfect sense to publicly boycott a WI based business like Kwik Trip who does so much good for the community and it citizens. They didn't speak out one way or the other. They are just targeted by yes Union THUGS. Real classy. Ever hear of the Freedom Honor Flight? sponsored by Kwik Trip, there is so much more. I personally will be supporting Kwik trip as much as possible because of this.

Good for you! That's your right and freedom, as an American, to support the businesses you want to, based upon the owners political leanings.

So it's strange you made a negative post about other people doing exactly what you are doing - voting their social-political conscience with their pocketbooks. You called those other people violent thugs. But you don't think you are a violent thug? For doing the exact same thing?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

If you believe that the people are being peaceful and non threatening you really are a fool.

You simply can't have a political discussion without calling names, can you?

I've watched tons of YouTube videos and news converage of the protests at Wisconsin, and have talked to friends that attended. Peaceful and non-threatening is a terrific description of the hundreds of thousands of people that attended, and you know it.

Yeah, there are always a few idiots who break the law, and they should be pursued. Were they the majority in Wisconsin? Nope - there were only a few. Out of hundreds of thousands.

So don't try to paint the Wisconsin protests as anything different, as that would be a clear lie, wouldn't it?

Any one ever threaten your life or your family? I know that would not be considered peaceful in my world

You mean like the Tea Baggers on YouTube who talk to the news media about killing the President?

[richard]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not very common in current times, especially with those unions who are prevented by contract from striking, but hey, hyperbole helps the case I guess.

The weeks of peaceful, non-violent protest in Wisconsin, for example. Yeah, lots of "physical violence" "beating" and "intimidation" going on there

Down with unions! They are the current fad scapegoat! Kindergarten teachers suck and threaten me! The Republicans told me so!

Excuse me, but public unions are not a "current fad scapegoat." They have manipulated the public trust many years to put themselves at the end of the plank. It's time they are outlawed.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by richard

Excuse me, but public unions are not a "current fad scapegoat." They have manipulated the public trust many years to put themselves at the end of the plank. It's time they are outlawed.

That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it. Doesn't seem to be shared by many.

But yes, in the recent public political discourse of the past 10 years, "Bust the Unions! They are evil and the cause of all our budget problems!" has only made a huge public presence since the Koch Brothers held the last Republican Governors Association meeting, and the GOP governors were told to say it and do it before the 2012 elections. Bush certainly never had a problem with it.

Google News item search on "outlaw unions" number of stories:
2000 17
2001 34
2002 9
2003 17
2004 21
2005 19
2006 22
2007 28
2008 51
2009 46
2010 71
2011 336

Yes, indeed, the "current fad scapegoat". After Muslims, of course.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it. Doesn't seem to be shared by many.

But yes, in the recent public political discourse of the past 10 years, "Bust the Unions! They are evil and the cause of all our budget problems!" has only made a huge public presence since the Koch Brothers held the last Republican Governors Association meeting, and the GOP governors were told to say it and do it before the 2012 elections.

Yes, indeed, the "current fad scapegoat". After Muslims, of course.

and President Obama!

[wiphan]

Riot,

just out of curiosity do you support Gay Marriage?

[timmgirvan]

Pravda says Obama has spent over 2mil to conceal his citizenship! I'm laughing

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Pravda says Obama has spent over 2mil to conceal his citizenship! I'm laughing

Now there is an independent source. Are you sure President Obama isn't really an alien? Perhaps from one of Saturn's moons....

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Riot,

just out of curiosity do you support Gay Marriage?

I know your question wasn't to me but I'll respond...Absolutely!!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Pravda says Obama has spent over 2mil to conceal his citizenship! I'm laughing

The real secret is that the black, Kenyan, Muslim side of the family stories are just a distraction for the public. The true, shocking secrets are found within the white, Kansas, rural, American, war veterans side of the family!

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I know your question wasn't to me but I'll respond...Absolutely!!

Maybe your views align closer to the evil Koch brothers than to president Obama then.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Maybe your views align closer to the evil Koch brothers than to president Obama then.

I share quite a few political views with the Koch brothers.

Except for their desire to literally purchase as much of our government as they can, purchase control towards their own self-reward and self-interest.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

I share quite a few political views with the Koch brothers.

Except for their desire to literally purchase as much of our government as they can, purchase control towards their own self-reward and self-interest.

I don't get it. You don't like a private person contributing their own $ towards a politician or a particular political party to help their interests, but you have no issue with public mandates (ie. required union dues) where a large sum of the money goes towards a particular political party to help them.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

I don't get it. You don't like a private person contributing their own $ towards a politician or a particular political party to help their interests,

No. That's a completely false statement.

but you have no issue with public mandates (ie. required union dues) where a large sum of the money goes towards a particular political party to help them.

Sorry - that argument is null, completely a false equivalency.

Unions dues are not "public mandates". Is that like "thug" no longer means violent when you use it?

Unions have contributed to both public political parties. They contribute to those that defend their interests. As the Koch Brothers do.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. That's a completely false statement.



Sorry - that argument is null, completely a false equivalency.

Unions dues are not "public mandates". Is that like "thug" no longer means violent when you use it?

Unions have contributed to both public political parties. They contribute to those that defend their interests. As the Koch Brothers do.

Try explaining that to the republican teacher that doesn't want to be part of or pay union dues. Does he/she have a choice to belong or not belong to the union? Do they have a choice to where the union donates their money to? Also, the teachers union in WI does not contribute to both parties. Check the facts please

Originally Posted by wiphan

Try explaining that to the republican teacher that doesn't want to be part of or pay union dues. Does he/she have a choice to belong or not belong to the union? Do they have a choice to where the union donates their money to? Also, the teachers union in WI does not contribute to both parties. Check the facts please

Well they can move to another state. It's a "free" country, unless you're in Wisconsin.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Try explaining that to the republican teacher that doesn't want to be part of or pay union dues. Does he/she have a choice to belong or not belong to the union?

Absolutely. They most certainly do.

When that teacher talks to an employer about a job offer, the employer tells you what the contract entails. You read your contract before you sign it. Every teacher has every right to take a job in the private sector, or a government job where joining the union is optional, if they do not want to pay union dues and be part of a union.

That is what capitalism and free-market principles are all about.

You want to attract the best teachers, you offer what those best teachers want. Or they go elsewhere.

Walker is actively trying to take those collective bargaining rights away.

Your teachers are going to go elsewhere. That's part of the plan, however, as the next goal is to bemoan the sorry state of the education system, and then privatize it, or begin using "education vouchers" (essentially a good way for the rich to have the general public pay for their kids private schools)

Also, the teachers union in WI does not contribute to both parties. Check the facts please

I meant unions in general, not specifically the teachers union in Wisconsin. My exact quote was, "Unions have contributed to both public parties".

But are you going to take the stand that the Wisconsin NEA branch of the American Federation of Teachers has never donated to a Republican candidate?

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

I share quite a few political views with the Koch brothers.

Except for their desire to literally purchase as much of our government as they can, purchase control towards their own self-reward and self-interest.

Kinda like George Soros?