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08-27-2009, 02:20 PM
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That's probably more gullible mixed with stupid, than naive.
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08-27-2009, 02:43 PM
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Riot believes she is a Republican. (retiring again now)
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http://www.oaktreepeak.com/Blog/2009...t_created.html
The myth of government created jobs is the twin to the myth of jobs saved by protectionist tariffs. Put a 20% tariff on imported steel in an effort to protect the jobs of U.S. steel workers and what is the result? The cost of everything made from steel is higher than it would otherwise be - a hidden tax on consumers. A new oven that might have cost $300 may now cost $360. The consumer has $60 less to spend on something else. Perhaps they would have dined at a neighborhood restaurant but now have less disposable income to do so. Perhaps the restaurant will reduce the size of its workforce because business is slow. Capital that is spent by consumers to maintain the jobs of the steelworkers has not magically appeared; it has been removed from other sectors of the economy. Once again, the jobs that are lost are spread out over the country and are impossible to identify, while politicians can easily point to the steel industry and say "look, we saved these jobs". They are simply robbing Peter to pay Paul, but Peter is hidden away in the cellar and Paul just bought a new SUV. Nice work, if you can get it
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08-27-2009, 02:56 PM
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Oh, it isn't that the numbers that Obama uses to make his claims are somewhat jiggured, but that the whole claim is impossible to figure all the way around and Obama's economic team knows it, according to Fratto. The claim is simply a fiction, a fantasy, a claim made based on no numbers and no ability to find them.
Fratto says: Here's an important note to my friends in the news media: the White House has absolutely no earthly clue how many job losses have been prevented because of the stimulus bill. None. Not Christina Romer. Not Jared Bernstein. Not Austen Goolsbee. Each of these distinguished economists would have failed Statistics 101 for making such a laughable claim. But we see them now repeating these assertions to reporters who have seemingly abandoned all skepticism. Fratto rightly points out that in the first place the so-called stimulus money (something that we all here know is no stimulus at all) has not even hit the real economy yet so calculating its effect now is impossible. But his second point is the crux of the matter. The Obama administration cannot possibly calculate this claim that any jobs are saved because it is an impossible task to calculate an accurate baseline that would measure what the employment level will be in the future with OR without the stimulus spending. In fact, Fratto says, the government can't even get a correct reading of jobs created in the past most of the time, much less the future. You only need to know this: the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) - thousands of the most professional and rigorous counters and analyzers of labor data in the history of mankind - makes TWO revisions of employment data for their ESTIMATE of the PREVIOUS month! And even then the reports are mere estimates - an annual benchmark survey is required to reset the nation's payroll baseline. That is, the best employment statisticians the world has ever known, people whose lives are dedicated to employment data, conducting labor surveys and research, constantly refining their complex models, have a difficult time telling you how many jobs were created in the PAST! So, if the government can't even get labor stats from the past right, how can we expect them to get future predictions right? TV weathermen have better prediction records http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-...iving-him-pass
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08-27-2009, 03:00 PM
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Tell you what - when you get around to contributing as much to the GOP over your lifetime as I have in mine, let me know. Some of us are very angry and disappointed to see the hijacking and ruination and utter stupidity going on now within the GOP, and that sure as hell doesn't make us non-Republicans.
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08-27-2009, 03:29 PM
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However you can use current unemployment figures within industries, and see which way the industries are heading, to predict how many of those people will be brought back to work, and if the industries are growing. Nobody will know if it's silly or not until the last quarter comes, and we see the accuracy. Get back to me then if you want to complain about it. This complaining about stuff that "might" happen, as if it's a done deal, is getting pretty tiresome.
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08-27-2009, 03:29 PM
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Figured you were just going for a typical liberal talking point. You know when you have nothing of substance to back your views, just label the other side racist.
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PS You should have known better when you laid that first Jimmy Carter crappy novelette down and thought 'he gets it'.
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