When "Neighborhood Watch" Gets Out of Hand

[bigrun]

That picture must be forged because Danzig told me that there was no struggle. She had strong evidence too. Her evidence was that the funeral director (who works for the Martins) said that Trayvon had no bruises. LOL.

I'm sorry Danzig. I couldn't resist.[/quote]


Is there a doctor in the house....more i look at that blood pattern the more it looks painted on...I watch a lot of CSI and never saw splatter like that...but i'd like one of our resident physicians to corroborate...danz, riot, anybody...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Yes. I believe that is what the claim has been all along.

But it sure doesn't support it's existence through a 43-second long struggle, as heard on the tape. It must have happened at the very end. And if his head felt painful from being bashed against the cement enough to scare him for his life, how come after the fight there is zero sign of smear from Zimmerman putting his hand up to feel the back of his head, where the pain and warm blood are?

Big, I also saw the funeral director speak that there was no bruising, cuts or signs of a fight on hands or face he had to cover.

I'm just happy an arrest was finally made. I hope it doesn't come out the police department was incompetent and screwed up any evidence, etc. as is the fear. I'm content to the let the legal process work and come to a conclusion.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

But it sure doesn't support it's existence through a 43-second long struggle, as heard on the tape. And if his head felt hurt, how come there is zero sign of smear from Zimmerman putting his hand up to feel the pain and warm blood on the back of his head?

Big, I also saw the funeral director speak that there was no bruising, cuts or signs of a fight on hands or face he had to cover.

I'm just happy an arrest was finally made. I hope it doesn't come out the police department was incompetent and screwed up any evidence, etc. as is the fear. I'm content to the let the legal process work and come to a conclusion.

The funeral director (who works for the Martin family) is hardly a credible witness. The coroner is a credible witness. I would trust the coroner's opinion. But even if the funeral director was a credible witness, his testimony is still meaningless. Why would Martin have bruises? Zimmerman's claim is that he was sucker-punched from behind and then Martin jumped on top of him and started beating him. If that is what happened, then I wouldn't expect Martin to have any bruises. The guy with the bruises would be Zimmerman. If anything, the funeral director's testimony helps to confirm Zimmerman's story.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Today after viewing that photograph, Dershowitz blasted the prosecutors even more than he did before, calling them "not only immoral, but stupid". He accused them of committing a "grave ethical violation".

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...cution-immoral

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The funeral director (who works for the Martin family) is hardly a credible witness. The coroner is a credible witness. I would trust the coroner's opinion. But even if the funeral director was a credible witness, his testimony is still meaningless. Why would Martin have bruises? Zimmerman's claim is that he was sucker-punched from behind and then Martin jumped on top of him and started beating him. If that is what happened, then I wouldn't expect Martin to have any bruises. The guy with the bruises would be Zimmerman. If anything, the funeral director's testimony helps to confirm Zimmerman's story.

There was 40-plus seconds of struggle as record on police tapes. Yes, I'd expect some physical evidence of that, on both men. And yes, we'll wait for the coroner's report.

This picture was taken by a citizen who arrived on the scene after the fight. It was not taken by the police.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Today after viewing that photograph, Dershowitz blasted the prosecutors even more than he did before, calling them "not only immoral, but stupid". He accused them of committing a "grave ethical violation".

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...cution-immoral

Haven't read every word of the accounts of what happened but how do we know that is Z's head? or when the pic was taken...did he have a shaved head?...all these questions and no answers...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Haven't read every word of the accounts of what happened but how do we know that is Z's head? or when the pic was taken...did he have a shaved head?...all these questions and no answers...

The case is supposed to be sealed now. How did that picture get out, where did ABC get it from? The prosecution? The defense? The guy that took it on his cell phone?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Haven't read every word of the accounts of what happened but how do we know that is Z's head? or when the pic was taken...did he have a shaved head?...all these questions and no answers...

I would certainly think that ABC News would be smart enough to authenticate the photo before they would release it. They would lose a ton of credibility and do serious damage to their reputation if they released a photo that they did not authenticate.

The picture was supposedly taken at the scene right after the incident. This was obviously taken before the paramedics arrived and cleaned Zimmerman up.

[Danzig]

That picture must be forged because Danzig told me that there was no struggle. She had strong evidence too. Her evidence was that the funeral director (who works for the Martins) said that Trayvon had no bruises. LOL.

I'm sorry Danzig. I couldn't resist.[/quote]

gfy.

sorry, couldn't resist.

and what i said was according to what had been put out up to that point, there was no evidence of a struggle. if the photo is real, i guess it shows otherwise...
and i didn't say there were no bruises, the funeral director did-take your beef up with him.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I would certainly think that ABC News would be smart enough to authenticate the photo before they would release it. They would lose a ton of credibility and do serious damage to their reputation if they released a photo that they did not authenticate.

The picture was supposedly taken at the scene right after the incident. This was obviously taken before the paramedics arrived and cleaned Zimmerman up.

lol
yeah, right. you already have one network with heads rolling because of editing.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
yeah, right. you already have one network with heads rolling because of editing.

and ABC is part of the lame stream media, they wouldn't put out something they didn't check and double check and recheck...the ? is is (clinton speak) that Z's head..

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Tgfy.

sorry, couldn't resist.

and what i said was according to what had been put out up to that point, there was no evidence of a struggle. if the photo is real, i guess it shows otherwise...
and i didn't say there were no bruises, the funeral director did-take your beef up with him.

Of course there was evidence of a struggle at the time you made the post. You just chose to ignore that evidence. At the time you made the post, it had been reported that Zimmerman had a broken nose. It had been reported that several witnesses at the scene including police officers said that Zimmerman's nose was bleeding and the back of his head was bleeding.

That was the evidence that we knew at the time that suggested a struggle. That was why I was so shocked when you claimed you didn't think there was any evidence of a struggle. That was when I told you that I had never heard anyone from either side claim that there was no struggle. That was when you answered that the funeral director said that Martin had no bruises on him and that was what you based your opinion on.

You can go back and re-read the posts if you don't believe me.

[bigrun]

Zimmerman apologizes to Trayvon Martin’s parents at bail hearing

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...#ixzz1sdpgC0jH

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Of course there was evidence of a struggle at the time you made the post. You just chose to ignore that evidence. At the time you made the post, it had been reported that Zimmerman had a broken nose. It had been reported that several witnesses at the scene including police officers said that Zimmerman's nose was bleeding and the back of his head was bleeding.

That was the evidence that we knew at the time that suggested a struggle. That was why I was so shocked when you claimed you didn't think there was any evidence of a struggle. That was when I told you that I had never heard anyone from either side claim that there was no struggle. That was when you answered that the funeral director said that Martin had no bruises on him and that was what you based your opinion on.

You can go back and re-read the posts if you don't believe me.

well, i'm glad you're around to tell me what i knew. there's a variety of reports coming out daily. from what i had read up to that point, i'd seen nothing to suggest there'd been evidence of a struggle, which is why i put what i did. i'd also read that security camera footage at the jail showed no marks on the guys head as he'd claimed. but, i've also said more than once that it's a muddled mess, and that i doubt the guy gets found guilty at trial. but hey, whatever blows your skirt up.

[Rupert Pupkin]

I think the Zimmermans made an excellent choice in picking Mark O"Mara to be George Zimmerman's defense attorney. Some defense attorneys are confrontational, argumentative, flamboyant, and "in your face". O'Mara is not like that at all. He is quiet, low-key, and very professional. In a case like this, I think that is a very good thing.

Emotions are really high on both sides. If you had one of these loud and confrontational defense attorneys, I think that would just inflame people. O'Mara could have easily gone out there and publicly attacked the special prosecutor. But he didn't do that. He knows the facts are on his side and he knows that the truth will come out.

He handled the hearing today very well. He didn't attack the prosecution investigator at the hearing today. He just asked him a simple question. He asked him whether he had any evidence of who started the fight. The prosecution investigator responded, "No".

That was all he needed to ask. The prosecution admitted that they had no evidence of who started the fight. That means they have no evidence that contradicts Zimmerman's claim that Martin attacked him first.

The judge will practically be forced to throw out the 2nd degree murder charge. There is a chance he may even throw out the manslaughter charge. If the prosecution has no evidence that contradicts Zimmerman's contention that Martin attacked him first, then they have no case. Zimmerman had obvious and visible injuries. If you get attacked and sustain those kinds of injuries, you have a right to defend yourself. The law is very clear on that, especially in Florida.


http://southflorida.sun-sentinel.com...,4802623.story

[Rupert Pupkin]

I actually hadn't read part #2 of this story. One of the prosecutors claims that Zimmerman gave 5 different statements and some of them were "inconsistent and contrary to physical evidence". I'm somewhat skeptical of this and most legal experts are too. You have to remember that even if you tell the same story 5 times, you're not going to tell the exact same story every time. You're probably going to remember new things each time. If there are major contradictions, then you are in trouble. But if you remember a few new details here and there, that is normal.

Maybe the prosecution has some damning evidence that they are holding back. Anything is possible but I wouldn't hold my breath.

There was another important disclosure made today. The judge asked the prosecution investigator how close the gun was to the victim when it was fired. So close, said the investigator, that there were burns on Trayvon's sweatshirt and skin.

That is obviously an extremely significant piece of evidence.


http://southflorida.sun-sentinel.com...3.story?page=2

[Antitrust32]

Rupert you seem to leave out in every post that the punk wanna be cop Zimmerman was following Martin in a car and by foot, and kept following him even when told not to.

if anyone would have had reason to protect their own self, it would be Martin.

and nobody can dispute Zimmermans claim of self defense?? well maybe that is because the 2nd party in this situation is DEAD at the hands of Zimmerman. Cant really tell your side when you are buried under the earth, can you?

but no.. poor Zimmerman, has to go through all this trouble. He should have thought about that before he tried to act like a cop and follow a kid with a loaded gun.

Zimmerman is a prick. If he doesnt go to jail for even a few years, it will be a grave injustice.


It disgusts me that people stick up for Zimmerman.

[Antitrust32]

maybe its just me.. but Zimmerman looks much more bald in the blood photo than any other picture i've seen of him.

[Danzig]

from daily kos on the pic:

WHAT HASN'T CHANGED
1) Zimmerman wasn't being assaulted within fear of his life; Zimmerman was treated at the scene but was never taken to the hospital.
2) Zimmerman was culpable for the confrontation
3) Zimmerman was well-recovered enough from any "wounds" that he was able to coherently talk with officers in the station, carry himself, and that no injury was noticeable on the station cameras.

Many of us thought that the Murder 2 charge was intended so that it could be plead down to Manslaughter, vs starting with Manslaughter risked an acquittal or even lesser charge. While manslaughter seems very much still in sight, the threat of being convicted of Murder 2 if Zimmerman decides not to take a plea deal just got lessened considerably.





...and line two is the continued sticking point-it was zimmerman who followed martin, even tho he was told not to. he caused everything that happened because he took it upon himself to follow someone, to leave his vehicle, to put himself in the position he was put into. trayvon didn't cause zimmerman to put himself in (potentially) harms' way. he escalated the scene from 'i saw someone' to i'm following him, approaching him, etc. he didn't stand his ground at all. he sought a confrontation, and in doing so, a kid is dead. had he done as told, none of what followed after would have happened.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

maybe its just me.. but Zimmerman looks much more bald in the blood photo than any other picture i've seen of him.

Asked the same thing when the blooded head pic surfaced...it looked doctored up to me...that's the problem with this whole affair, old pictures, sketchy info, one-sided testimony etc...too much left to speculation...his court room appearence nothing like the early photos...