10/5 (BEL): Champagne S., Frizette S., Jamaica H. (G1's)

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Not sure how good Havana is as we go around two turns but he was surely best in that race. Did all the dirty work and still won.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Strong Mandate finally got exposed for beating those weak fields where almost none of the horses ever returned to win.

He didn't run well, but what was the point of dragging him back after breaking like a shot? Ridiculous ride...

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He didn't run well, but what was the point of dragging him back after breaking like a shot? Ridiculous ride...

Horrible ride, agree. Speed is his main weapon the 2 won the previous race pressing. He should have been up on the pace.

[Sightseek]

Sweet Reason can run on a fast track.

Hope they take a shot at the BC.

[randallscott35]

3rd poor start in a row, however...and it cost her.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Sweet Reason can run on a fast track.

Hope they take a shot at the BC.

Gyarmati told Grening that if she exits race OK, they'll go.

[pucknut]

that was a monster race
she wins by open lenghths with a breaks cleanly
school her repeatedly from the gate win the BC
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[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

3rd poor start in a row, however...and it cost her.

This is not even close to accurate. In her debut, she broke, at most, a half length slow. In the Spinaway, she broke fine. In the Frizette, she ducked in badly, which happens in mile races out of the chute on occasion. This is hardly horse specific. She has shown no gate issues in the past, and doesn't figure to in the Breeder's Cup.

The break absolutely cost her in the Frizette. However, what really hurt her was the slow pace.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is not even close to accurate. In her debut, she broke, at most, a half length slow. In the Spinaway, she broke fine. In the Frizette, she ducked in badly, which happens in mile races out of the chute on occasion. This is hardly horse specific. She has shown no gate issues in the past, and doesn't figure to in the Breeder's Cup.

The break absolutely cost her in the Frizette. However, what really hurt her was the slow pace.

Off poorly in 3 races, sure off poorly against state bred maidens tends to mean less. Maybe you should have read the whole thread where I specified (Before the race) that with her tendency to start poorly and having the rail in a 1 mile chute was not a good combo. Instead you just comment for the sake of it as usual.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Off poorly in 3 races, sure off poorly against state bred maidens tends to mean less. Maybe you should have read the whole thread where I specified (Before the race) that with her tendency to start poorly and having the rail in a 1 mile chute was not a good combo. Instead you just comment for the sake of it as usual.

Once again, she not only never had a "poor start" previously, she barely broke slowly in one of her two races. You have your facts wrong, and a simple viewing of her first two races by anyone will make this obvious.

[randallscott35]

Here is the spectrum of off poorly....Left at the gate/refuse to start------------- to a stutter step slow. She had 2 starts before this one. Both were listed on Thorograph as being off poorly, quibble with them on the Spinaway, I would doubt they would have that important a race wrong but I guess it is possible and I'd have to take a look at it again when I get home. Either way, her figure went backwards a ways on a fast track which based on the Leah love affair on here was not supposed to happen. If she ran her Spinaway race back she would've won with aplomb.

[randallscott35]

Got a chance to look at the Spinaway....I agree, no poor start, they definitely made a mistake on that.