First Federal Appeals Court upholds Healthcare law

[paulo537]

Originally Posted by Riot

When they elevate premiums 20% a year, and decline to honor their part of their contract with their insured in order to save money, yup, they run some nice profit margins.

The PPACA is mostly consumer protections. Why? Because they are needed. Interestingly, stock in insurance companies rose when the PPACA became law.

More bullshit.

You laughingly deflected away from answering why all the insurers I listed left the Health insurance market.

No snappy transition for you there, I guess.

[paulo537]

Originally Posted by clyde

On to the High Court of Trained Seals.

Do coyotes (or whatever you may be) find seals tasty?

[clyde]

Originally Posted by paulo537

Do coyotes (or whatever you may be) find seals tasty?

I'm a Black Wolf you dumb ass.




And we do not chew our prey.....we merely kill it and move on.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by paulo537

Bullshit.

The only thing you can possibly twist into calling tort reform in the bill is giving $50,000,000.00 of Federal tax money to the states to study and offer alternatives to current tort law at the state level.

That is "Tort Reform?"

No, that is giving states 1/20 of a Billion dollars to study **** we already know.

Of course you realize that, as insurance laws vary state by state, there is zero way to implement "tort reform" on a federal level. So it has to be on an individual state level.

You also realize that the Republican position supporting "tort reform" as an alternative to the PPACA was to do so state by state.

So the PPACA actually giving the Republicans a good start on state by state tort reform is exactly what the opponents to the PPACA where whining for. They got what they wanted. A start on tort reform state by state, which they maintain will lower health insurance costs

[Riot]

Originally Posted by paulo537

More bullshit.

You laughingly deflected away from answering why all the insurers I listed left the Health insurance market.

No snappy transition for you there, I guess.

I'll just refer you to the profit margins of the companies left that I listed. "The six largest investor-owned health insurance companies saw a 22 percent increase in combined net income in the third quarter, putting them on pace to break profit records for 2010." Hey, capitalism is good, Paulo. If crappy companies couldn't compete, they deserve to be gone. Don't lament it. It's the free market.

And closing the donut hole saves money because people then can afford to purchase and take their medications - for diabetes, their heart problems, high blood pressure, etc - which decreases the cost of their lifetime health care. So it's an expenditure that pays bigger savings dividends in both health costs and better health. Like people having health insurance and being seen at the start of problems is better than not treating them until they end up in crisis in an emergency room.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's just complete false bullshiat. The PPACA has over 5 billion in Medicare cost savings from waste elimination (that helps pay for the PPACA), and changes payment to doctors to emphasize outcomes not just coded service clicks.

Stealing from grandma? To insure who?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Stealing from grandma? To insure who?

It's sad to see you deliberately lie and misrepresent facts we all know you are awares of, just in order to demagogue your political position. But frankly, that is the simultaneous attraction and repellent to Libertarianism (for example, listening to Ron Paul talk). It sounds so good, you really agree with it, until you suddenly turn a corner and get to the crazy, whacky part that has no resemblance to real life and is impossible in reality.

Have a good Fourth weekend. Don't go through Minnesota.

[paulo537]

Originally Posted by clyde

I'm a Black Wolf you dumb ass.




And we do not chew our prey.....we merely kill it and move on.

Ok.

So, you don't always eat. But when you do, you prefer .... _______ (?)

[clyde]

Hershey bars.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's sad to see you deliberately lie and misrepresent facts we all know you are awares of, just in order to demagogue your political position. But frankly, that is the simultaneous attraction and repellent to Libertarianism (for example, listening to Ron Paul talk). It sounds so good, you really agree with it, until you suddenly turn a corner and get to the crazy, whacky part that has no resemblance to real life and is impossible in reality.

Have a good Fourth weekend. Don't go through Minnesota.

If there is $5 billion in Medicaid waste why wasn't it eliminated last and this year?

BTW The Fourth is my favorite holiday. If on the Lake the night of the third you can see, Lake Geneva, Fontana, Linn, Lyons, Williams Bay and Lake Como shows all at the same time. One huge carbon contribution to the world and all are paid for privately by business/resorts and personal donations. It's the WI way!

The shows together don't equal what's coming up in a few weeks when Dreyfuss holds his annual b-day party though.

Have a good fourth yourself and remember no Johnsonville Brats or Miller for libs.

[paulo537]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's sad to see you deliberately lie and misrepresent facts we all know you are awares of, just in order to demagogue your political position. But frankly, that is the simultaneous attraction and repellent to Libertarianism (for example, listening to Ron Paul talk). It sounds so good, you really agree with it, until you suddenly turn a corner and get to the crazy, whacky part that has no resemblance to real life and is impossible in reality.

Have a good Fourth weekend. Don't go through Minnesota.

It's ok.

what you really should do to save time is to admit that you believe every bullshit line fed to you by the news and by politicians of either party. That you believe the b.s that the legislation will save Medicare money and ignore the results of Medicare legislation of the last 30 years.

This would be the right and honorable thing to do but it's better for you to proclaim yourself an expert and lie your head off.

What a blockhead you are.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah, and Anti's boss blamed the PPACA for their company insurance costs rising. LOL.

.

again, you come through with lies.

UHC is doing it because the cadillac tax. end of story

[paulo537]

Originally Posted by clyde

Hershey bars.

Well, you still have decent teeth.

You must be on riot's dental plan.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by paulo537

Well, you still have decent teeth.

You must be on riot's dental plan.

Don't worry, Alex Jones will save you all.

Don't worry...Al Sharpton will save you all.

[clyde]

Huge fan.

[clyde]

The real Don Steele:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYrVwGxlcFA

[Riot]

Originally Posted by paulo537

It's ok.

what you really should do to save time is to admit that you believe every bullshit line fed to you by the news and by politicians of either party. That you believe the b.s that the legislation will save Medicare money and ignore the results of Medicare legislation of the last 30 years.

This would be the right and honorable thing to do but it's better for you to proclaim yourself an expert and lie your head off.

What a blockhead you are.

Seriously? This is what you are? Someone gives some facts that refute one of your contentions, and your ridiculous whiny baby response is to proclaim they are not "right and honorable", falsely accuse them of "proclaiming yourself an expert", and then you accuse them of lying? And you call them names?

Do you want to be taken seriously?
Or do you want to be treated how you act?
Pick one.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

If there is $5 billion in Medicaid waste why wasn't it eliminated last and this year?

BTW The Fourth is my favorite holiday. If on the Lake the night of the third you can see, Lake Geneva, Fontana, Linn, Lyons, Williams Bay and Lake Como shows all at the same time. One huge carbon contribution to the world and all are paid for privately by business/resorts and personal donations. It's the WI way!

The shows together don't equal what's coming up in a few weeks when Dreyfuss holds his annual b-day party though.

Have a good fourth yourself and remember no Johnsonville Brats or Miller for libs.

You are right about the lake - perfect. Going home early tomorrow, will be on the brother's boat on the lake off Buckingham Fountain tomorrow night, can't wait to eat Chicago food again! Love me some brats!