Weekend Stakes Beyers

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

If you believe Paradise Woods ran a faster race then the colt, you believe one of 2 things: the track changed or the time of one if not both of the races are wrong. Perhaps the fig with Paradise Woods is too high? Perhaps a 4 horse loose on the lead race is not a "she is what she is" race, and is misleading? I can go with the colt didn't run a 113 and ran 100.. I cant go with Paradise Woods 1.44.34 is faster then 1.43.54. Perhaps the race to cut loose was the Zenyatta? The problem with cutting the Zenyatta loose is its not unusual for loose speed horses to run their best figs when they have dynamics their own way, which she did. I dont know just an interesting conversation

Its hard to say all the way around.

If you watch all four of those dirt stake races there was one horse who was really finishing and did not look like they were sucking gas at the end and that was the 2yo colt. I thought even Paradise Woods loose on the lead looked like she was getting tired a bit, and I am totally against her basically the next several months.

Elate and Bolt D Oro looked like the best prep winners to me.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Its hard to say all the way around.

If you watch all four of those dirt stake races there was one horse who was really finishing and did not look like they were sucking gas at the end and that was the 2yo colt. I thought even Paradise Woods loose on the lead looked like she was getting tired a bit, and I am totally against her basically the next several months.

Elate and Bolt D Oro looked like the best prep winners to me.

I have no faith in Paradise Woods she is a complete fraud, until I see her race well with a small stick in her path I will pass not even remotely considering her as anything but a takeout cure. Elate beat bums, relatively speaking, I learned she is in form, I dont worry about her trainer keeping her very good yet is she really that fast? I dont know will see, she certainly is a contender.

The colt ran a 106+k beating him

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I have no faith in Paradise Woods she is a complete fraud, until I see her race well with a small stick in her path I will pass not even remotely considering her as anything but a takeout cure. Elate beat bums, relatively speaking, I learned she is in form, I dont worry about her trainer keeping her very good yet is she really that fast? I dont know will see, she certainly is a contender.

The colt ran a 106+k beating him

yea, Elate may have a case of the slows. I have little faith in many of these older fillies and I can see something crazy happening.

Is there any other pace in that race but Paradise Woods? I dont think she is that good but maybe loose on the lead she may surprise.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

yea, Elate may have a case of the slows. I have little faith in many of these older fillies and I can see something crazy happening.

Is there any other pace in that race but Paradise Woods? I dont think she is that good but maybe loose on the lead she may surprise.

Songbird was loose at Toga and FU ran her down. I see no reasson she wont run past Woods. Elate is the wild card that can beat her.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Songbird was loose at Toga and FU ran her down. I see no reasson she wont run past Woods. Elate is the wild card that can beat her.

I wouldnt count on winning with that scenario against horses who were not running with the form Songbird was in that race.

[RHT2004]

Paradise Woods has 2 good races where she beat no one with soft trips. The 2 times things didnt go perfectly for her she folded up badly. Would you really have any confidence in her vs FU, Elate and others?

[RHT2004]

Plus isnt Vale Dori running?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Plus isnt Vale Dori running?

I think she is pointing to the F&M Sprint.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Paradise Woods has 2 good races where she beat no one with soft trips. The 2 times things didnt go perfectly for her she folded up badly. Would you really have any confidence in her vs FU, Elate and others?

I am just saying there are worse plays than her if she is lone speed.

I dont like her for the reasons you stated, but I am always nervous about talented lone speed horses.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I am just saying there are worse plays than her if she is lone speed.

I dont like her for the reasons you stated, but I am always nervous about talented lone speed horses.

She seems like shes always overbet. Off her 106 and loan speed what price are you thinking? I can see her lower then Elate.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think she is pointing to the F&M Sprint.

Huge shot turning back.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

She seems like shes always overbet. Off her 106 and loan speed what price are you thinking? I can see her lower then Elate.

well, there is the rub.

She should be in the 15/1 range based on form and her running lines

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

well, there is the rub.

She should be in the 15/1 range based on form and her running lines

Big rub.
And on another note, I think Solomini is OK. I think he can turn the tables on Bolt as the distances increase.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Big rub.
And on another note, I think Solomini is OK. I think he can turn the tables on Bolt as the distances increase.

Can't see him making that difference up. Bolt is a great two year old and will be surprised if his breeders race isnt huge.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Can't see him making that difference up. Bolt is a great two year old and will be surprised if his breeders race isnt huge.

I said as the distances increase. Meaning next year. It would be a tall task in the BC. But IMO Solomini seems like the classic wants distance type.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

I said as the distances increase. Meaning next year. It would be a tall task in the BC. But IMO Solomini seems like the classic wants distance type.

Maybe but think bolt will like it to based upon pedigree. Good to see two olds with promise

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Huge shot turning back.

Heck I was liking her in the Distaff. Horse has guts.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

She seems like shes always overbet. Off her 106 and loan speed what price are you thinking? I can see her lower then Elate.

That fig is worthless for handicapping purposes. that doesnt mean the fig is wrong it just means who cares. Not all 106's are created equally and this particular one is at the very very bottom of the 106 scale

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Heck I was liking her in the Distaff. Horse has guts.

Agreed and she has NO shot in Sprint

[taxicab]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Heck I was liking her in the Distaff. Horse has guts.

I imagine Mandella is really hoping she goes in the Sprint.