Mongolian Groom

[NavalOrange]

Originally Posted by richard burch

At the "highest" level of tracks in the US here are the #s... They are consistently the top offenders.


SA 2018 48 dead racehorses
SA 2019 42 dead racehorses


BEL 2018 30 dead racehorses
BEL 2019 33 dead racehorses


GULF 2018 55 dead racehorses
GULF 2019 34 dead racehorses

I would think that the more prestigious tracks would have less injuries given the owners, trainers and connections. Totally skewed the wrong way.

The above numbers are meaningless without including the total number of events (training and racing) that occurred. By event I mean each time a horse stepped on the track. Also how many of the above were due to illness or natural causes.

[ADJMK]

Originally Posted by jms62

PETA exists to line the pockets of their executives.

No Joke.
They are everywhere.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ke-up-position

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by NavalOrange

The above numbers are meaningless without including the total number of events (training and racing) that occurred. By event I mean each time a horse stepped on the track. Also how many of the above were due to illness or natural causes.

I assume you mean field size. You can follow the link, they list the causes. https://horseracingwrongs.org/killed-2019/

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by ADJMK

No Joke.
They are everywhere.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ke-up-position

Are you surprised? After all that is their mission statement. But i never see them at the Turtle races at the local bar.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by richard burch

I assume you mean field size. You can follow the link, they list the causes. https://horseracingwrongs.org/killed-2019/

You shouldn’t go to that hypocrite’s website

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You shouldn’t go to that hypocrite’s website

Sorry but I couldn't find the casualty list on Equibase, The DRF or Horseracing nation. I was looking for stats, not assholes but I found both.

interesting update...

........of particular interest in light of workout videos of Mongolian Groom taken before the Classic. Multiple veterinary sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity say videos shot throughout the week appear to show the horse favoring his left hind leg at the trot.

See complete jog videos from Oct. 31 here and Oct. 26 here. watch........https://www.xbtv.com/video/workout/m...ber-31st-2019/

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/r...-exam-history/

[richard burch]

and BTW I get that there are only 172 members on this board but the silence on this thread is quite deafening.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by richard burch

Sorry but I couldn't find the casualty list on Equibase, The DRF or Horseracing nation. I was looking for stats, not assholes but I found both.

interesting update...

........of particular interest in light of workout videos of Mongolian Groom taken before the Classic. Multiple veterinary sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity say videos shot throughout the week appear to show the horse favoring his left hind leg at the trot.

See complete jog videos from Oct. 31 here and Oct. 26 here. watch........https://www.xbtv.com/video/workout/m...ber-31st-2019/

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/r...-exam-history/

It’s not an interesting update at all. You’re fishing for something that isn’t there and your crusade is boring at this point.

Multiple vets spoke on the condition of anonymity? How courageous of them. The truth is, multiple horses were scratched by vets BEFORE their races both Friday and Saturday. The vets were overly cautious. How could they scratch multiple horses and miss this one? Internet vets and real ones who have a lot to say sure were quiet before the Classic.

Here’s the real interesting update, where his vet and trainer explain the situation.

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...efore-classic/

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by richard burch

and BTW I get that there are only 172 members on this board but the silence on this thread is quite deafening.

Who or what would you like said? Horses have accidents man. It sucks and if you’re human you feel bad but nothing will change that.

For as long as horse racing has existed and for as long as it lasts, there will be breakdowns. I’m sure everyone wishes we could wave a magic wand and stop it but we can’t. The goal should be to limit breakdowns as much as possible and for as awful a year Santa Anita has had...they actually have made a lot of positive changes.

I’m not sure what your agenda here is but I’m not sure what else needs to be said at this point.

[richard burch]

What agenda? I didn't start this thread. If trying to save horses and horse racing is my "crusade" then so be it. I don't know why this is even brought up if this board just wants to focus on the sunny side of racing and gambling. I can play that game too.

It's nice to say "sorry for your loss" and "condolences to the connections" but it does nothing to help the sport.

Next time I suggest we just do this when a horse goes down....

That seems to be the norm.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

It’s not an interesting update at all. You’re fishing for something that isn’t there and your crusade is boring at this point.

Multiple vets spoke on the condition of anonymity? How courageous of them. The truth is, multiple horses were scratched by vets BEFORE their races both Friday and Saturday. The vets were overly cautious. How could they scratch multiple horses and miss this one? Internet vets and real ones who have a lot to say sure were quiet before the Classic.

Here’s the real interesting update, where his vet and trainer explain the situation.

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...efore-classic/

There is no fishing and how courageous is it not to do anything? Unfortunately they missed scratching the one horse who broke down in the biggest race of the day for all the world to see. Maybe airing on the side of caution would have been a better idea. You know if you don't give those hate groups ammunition they won't be around. I posted the video so you could decide for yourself. I didn't judge it as I am not qualified and it is interesting and hardly boring unless you don't care about these things.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by richard burch

What agenda? I didn't start this thread. If trying to save horses and horse racing is my "crusade" then so be it. I don't know why this is even brought up if this board just wants to focus on the sunny side of racing and gambling. I can play that game too.

It's nice to say "sorry for your loss" and "condolences to the connections" but it does nothing to help the sport.

Next time I suggest we just do this when a horse goes down....

That seems to be the norm.

Huh? I’m sure I’ll regret even going down this path, but what are you talking about?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by richard burch

There is no fishing and how courageous is it not to do anything? Unfortunately they missed scratching the one horse who broke down in the biggest race of the day for all the world to see. Maybe airing on the side of caution would have been a better idea. You know if you don't give those hate groups ammunition they won't be around. I posted the video so you could decide for yourself. I didn't judge it as I am not qualified and it is interesting and hardly boring unless you don't care about these things.

I’m not sure if you’re confused, obtuse or what....but I was being sarcastic saying the vets that spoke on the condition of anonymity were being courageous. They weren’t.

It’s ignorant to think the vets missed one and even more ignorant to not realize they were overly cautious. They scratched horses trained by the top turf trainers in the US and Europe.

The point, which you’d think someone posting on a horse racing message board would realize is all the precaution in the world cannot stop a bad step. Horses take bad steps.

Are all trainers clean? Of course not. Are all breakdowns a result of a bad step? Again, of course not. There are horses breaking down that should not be because they are running when they should not be. Cleaning up the sport will require minimizing that as much as possible.

I’m unhappy about a lot of things in the sport right now too but parroting nonsense from a hypocrite like Battuello and acting like a team of vets missed a lame horse, while scratching many others is not helping anything but your own ego.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Huh? I’m sure I’ll regret even going down this path, but what are you talking about?

Forget it. I know we play for the same team and want the best for the sport. I have no quarrel with you.

I tend to get emotional on this topic and sometimes writing something in texts, emails and message boards gets misconstrued. I can still remember watching Ruffian as a kid and I was never the same.

[Rverge]

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Exclusive Video: Fatal Injury of Mongolian Groom at Breeders’ Cup Race
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlCIP2OSYyI

[OldDog]

Report released

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac..._medium=social

A painful read (the actual report, not the BH article), but illuminating. I hope it will be discussed on ATR.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Report released

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac..._medium=social

A painful read (the actual report, not the BH article), but illuminating. I hope it will be discussed on ATR.

I've seen enough. Just want it to get better.