Does Mine That Bird Win Again? - Page 2

Danzig · #21 08-02-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

He's going to win JCGC, then end his career in Wadworth Memorial and retire

i don't see retirement for a few years at least.

King Glorious · #22 08-02-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

I would say he could become another Perfect Drift, but I don't think he's that good.

The thing is, neither is the competition that he has out there. Perfect Drift was around when Medaglia d'Oro, Congaree, Mineshaft, Pleasantly Perfect, Ghostzapper, and Candy Ride were around. MTB won't have to compete with anything near that. So he can easily accomplish as much or more than Perfect Drift without being as good.

Ronnie · #23 08-02-2009, 02:58 PM

He'll probably become quite a star in New Mexico - bet he skips the Travers.

Danzig · #24 08-02-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie

He'll probably become quite a star in New Mexico - bet he skips the Travers.

not necessarily. if he gets the right pace, the right run, he can win-he showed that in ky. if you're going to hope everything falls into place, it may as well be at 'toga.

letswastemoney · #25 08-02-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie

He'll probably become quite a star in New Mexico - bet he skips the Travers.

He's finished in the money in 4 straight graded races, there's no reason to skip the Travers

boswd · #26 08-02-2009, 04:42 PM

Waaay to early to start making the RIP Gravestone for MTB. Personally Mike Smith I think has got to go. This horse shoulda woulda coulda won the Preakness.
This race is a total thow out. Been eight weeks, has some rust, bad ride and torrid pace, small field = loss

I think he'll take to the Saratoga Course very nicely. Should enjoy the deeper track. I say let's wait until after the Travers.

But having said all that if he does not redeem himself in the Travers we could be looking at another Funny Cide and or Giacomo. Will win a race here or there but not sustaining a Champion like run.

But again waaay too early to start writing any obits.

Thunder Gulch · #27 08-02-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

He's finished in the money in 4 straight graded races, there's no reason to skip the Travers

....each progressively worse....I think he might be done. Only so much a 5% trainer can do once the lightning he caught has faded. I think MTB is a good horse and may even win another graded stakes, but seriously competing at G1 may be a thing of the past now with the 3yo stakes almost done.

dalakhani · #28 08-02-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

....each progressively worse....I think he might be done. Only so much a 5% trainer can do once the lightning he caught has faded. I think MTB is a good horse and may even win another graded stakes, but seriously competing at G1 may be a thing of the past now with the 3yo stakes almost done.

Hmmmmmm. Grade 1 races aint what they use to be, aint what they use to be...

freddymo · #29 08-02-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd

Waaay to early to start making the RIP Gravestone for MTB. Personally Mike Smith I think has got to go. This horse shoulda woulda coulda won the Preakness.
This race is a total thow out. Been eight weeks, has some rust, bad ride and torrid pace, small field = loss

I think he'll take to the Saratoga Course very nicely. Should enjoy the deeper track. I say let's wait until after the Travers.

But having said all that if he does not redeem himself in the Travers we could be looking at another Funny Cide and or Giacomo. Will win a race here or there but not sustaining a Champion like run.

But again waaay too early to start writing any obits.

Could have won the Preakness??? What year?

dalakhani · #30 08-02-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Could have won the Preakness??? What year?

Jockey's fault. Horse loses, jockey's fault.

boswd · #31 08-02-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Could have won the Preakness??? What year?

If Mike Smith grabs the rail in the Preakness, he wins for fun. seriously. He took him wide and he was charging like a mad man
RA did not win that race with ease nor did she win going away, she held off a hard charging MTB.

Don't get me wrong I think RA is the best 3 yr old in training but everyone writing off MTB I think is very premature.

freddymo · #32 08-02-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Jockey's fault. Horse loses, jockey's fault.

They could have gone around three more times Mine that Bird, who is a nice horse, was never ever going to go by her.. What people need to realize is that if the race was longer or if Smith had a slightly better trip Rachel still would had held him off.. She is special, he is OK

philcski · #33 08-02-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd

Waaay to early to start making the RIP Gravestone for MTB. Personally Mike Smith I think has got to go. This horse shoulda woulda coulda won the Preakness.
This race is a total thow out. Been eight weeks, has some rust, bad ride and torrid pace, small field = loss

I think he'll take to the Saratoga Course very nicely. Should enjoy the deeper track. I say let's wait until after the Travers.

But having said all that if he does not redeem himself in the Travers we could be looking at another Funny Cide and or Giacomo. Will win a race here or there but not sustaining a Champion like run.

But again waaay too early to start writing any obits.

What did Funny Cide do wrong after the TC? He won the JCGC, Excelsior, Dominion Day, and Kings Point; 2nd in the Mass Cap, Saratoga Cap; and was 3rd in the Donn, New Orleans Cap, and Suburban. Pretty decent career IMO.

boswd · #34 08-02-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

What did Funny Cide do wrong after the TC? He won the JCGC, Excelsior, Dominion Day, and Kings Point; 2nd in the Mass Cap, Saratoga Cap; and was 3rd in the Donn, New Orleans Cap, and Suburban. Pretty decent career IMO.

like I said would win a race here and there and I agree FC resume is not too shabby but he would lose like 3 races grab a win, lose a few more, grab a win. that's all.

I don't think MTB will be a Da'Tara

dalakhani · #35 08-02-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd

like I said would win a race here and there and I agree FC resume is not too shabby but he would lose like 3 races grab a win, lose a few more, grab a win. that's all.

I don't think MTB will be a Da'Tara

But having said all that if he does not redeem himself in the Travers we could be looking at another Funny Cide and or Giacomo. Will win a race here or there but not sustaining a Champion like run.

This was your original quote. Were you expecting a better career from Mine That Bird than what Funny Cide did? Really?

freddymo · #36 08-02-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

But having said all that if he does not redeem himself in the Travers we could be looking at another Funny Cide and or Giacomo. Will win a race here or there but not sustaining a Champion like run.

This was your original quote. Were you expecting a better career from Mine That Bird than what Funny Cide did? Really?

Who ever thought Mine that Bird was so friggin special.. Other then beating the scary good POTN who has he beatin of quality?

parsixfarms · #37 08-02-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Who ever thought Mine that Bird was so friggin special.. Other then beating the scary good POTN who has he beatin of quality?

Can't we say the same thing about Rachel Alexandra?

dalakhani · #38 08-02-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Who ever thought Mine that Bird was so friggin special.. Other then beating the scary good POTN who has he beatin of quality?

Mine that bird ran a nice derby and preakness against an awful crop. He ran a nice race against rachel but he wasnt beating her that day.

His last two races were very average and he was beaten by horses that arent too special.

Still, his ability is enough to be competitive in many stakes in this day.

boswd · #39 08-02-2009, 09:28 PM

we don't know the second season has just started, have no clue what the future holds.

I think FC had a nice solid career but it was spotty. And if I had a nickel for everytime someone on this board and others put a fork in him and such I'd be rich.

FC after the TC races never put together that Champion like string of winning Major GI's after GI's after GI's ala a Cigar, Invasor etc. He would lose quite a few, then all of a sudden grab a nice win, lose a few more and then grab a win.

What I'm trying to say with MTB is he seems to have that air about him that Funny Cide had. Everyone is ready to write off MTB and put a fork in him.
All I'm trying to say is it is way too early for that. Let's see how he performs in the Traver's and go from there.

freddymo · #40 08-02-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Can't we say the same thing about Rachel Alexandra?

I think Munnings is a fast G1 quality sprinter.. Rachel crushes fields.. The Haskel will come back with a very big BSF. I have nothing against Mine That Bird at all.. He is certainly a honest horse and his trainer isn't exactly HOF material..