Kidnapped British Soldiers

[skippy3481]

I cannot imagine if they were U.S naval members, there would be b-52's circling with warheads of mass destruction. I understand its a power play for Iran, but i cannot believe that the british government is going to let iran dictate terms. I very seldom advocate violence as a solution to anything, but its time for the Brits to say, " Give our naval members back today, or we will be there tommorrow to take them by force"

[Danzig]

it is infuriating to me that iran has done something illegal, and then has the colossal nads to try to dictate terms!!! they want britain to admit fault?! FOR WHAT?! the only one who has done anything in the wrong is iran. what nerve...

[FlBred]

I just do not get it.....Why do countries like Britian and the US continue to D@#$ around with countries like Iran, Iraq, Syria, NKorea, etc? We can sit in the mediterannean or Persian Gulf on huge air craft carriers and destroyers and pelt them with missles while our B-52's cirlce thousands of feet above out of RADAR reach and drop MOADS.....we could level the place in hours with out dropping the first man, why risk our men by putting men on the ground as we did in IRAQ. We could wipe these places off the map within hours, they are useless anyway (besides the oil). If we are not going to do that then lets pull out and let them blow each other up, they have been fighting in the Mid East for thousands of years do they really think we are going to change that? An enormous waste of our people and $$$$. It is ridiculous that we keep letting these little camel jockeys dictate what we are going to do! And as far as innocent people, who cares? They do not play by the rules, they got 12 yr old kids and grandmothers shooting our men in the back or walking up to a roadblock and blowing themselves to pieces, we have no clue who the enemy is, we are the only ones who play by the rules (sometimes) and we pay the biggest price....not to mention they do not want us there or our assistance....ok i am off of my soap box!!

[skippy3481]

Slow down a little FI, we need to keep the racial slurs out of this. What irrates me the most danzig is the fact that they showed that video. That was completely uncalled for. The only reason they filmed it was to snub their nose at the british government and proclaim that they are incapable of stopping them. It's absolutely asinine that the british government would allow a foreign power to hold soldiers that were kidnapped in Iraqi waters. This sets a horrible precedent on future occasions when Iran wants something. They will realize that other countries will back down or put up some b.s. "economic sanctions".

Iran is like a child, one that likes to test the waters to see how much he can get away with. If we let him, its going to be harder and harder to say no as time goes on. Time to smack their wrist and let them know that this type of behavior will not be tolerated at any time.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Slow down a little FI, we need to keep the racial slurs out of this. What irrates me the most danzig is the fact that they showed that video. That was completely uncalled for. The only reason they filmed it was to snub their nose at the british government and proclaim that they are incapable of stopping them. It's absolutely asinine that the british government would allow a foreign power to hold soldiers that were kidnapped in Iraqi waters. This sets a horrible precedent on future occasions when Iran wants something. They will realize that other countries will back down or put up some b.s. "economic sanctions".

Iran is like a child, one that likes to test the waters to see how much he can get away with. If we let him, its going to be harder and harder to say no as time goes on. Time to smack their wrist and let them know that this type of behavior will not be tolerated at any time.

that incident has ticked me off more than any of the rest-esp that they singled out the woman of the bunch, and she was forced to sit and speak so kindly of her captors--in a nutshell, that is what they are. it's outrageous!

truly, the worst part is knowing that this group was taken so easily, no fight back, not a shot fired. the commanding officer should be removed from his post. whoever makes their policy really and truly needs to re-think their rules of engagement!!

[hi_im_god]

screw munitions. i say we drop humiliating cartoons on them.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dissent is for opinion pieces. It is not a part of reporting the news.

Yeah, but there seem to be many who object to any news being reported that reflects badly on the current administration. You know, news from the "reality-based community" as one of his own people derisively called it. From Wikipedia:

<<The source of the term is a quotation in an October 17, 2004, New York Times Magazine article by writer Ron Suskind, quoting an unnamed aide to George W. Bush:

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." >>

How dare anyone report on "reality" and make the actors look bad!

Poor conservative blogger John Cole has been reduced to thanking God for Chuck Schumer. And he means it sincerely! Link below:

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8019

[kenny p]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that incident has ticked me off more than any of the rest-esp that they singled out the woman of the bunch, and she was forced to sit and speak so kindly of her captors--in a nutshell, that is what they are. it's outrageous!

truly, the worst part is knowing that this group was taken so easily, no fight back, not a shot fired. the commanding officer should be removed from his post. whoever makes their policy really and truly needs to re-think their rules of engagement!!

He was following orders from London.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it is infuriating to me that iran has done something illegal, and then has the colossal nads to try to dictate terms!!! they want britain to admit fault?! FOR WHAT?! the only one who has done anything in the wrong is iran. what nerve...

Danzig,
I'm no fan of Iran...but regarding doing something illegal and trying to dictate terms...read this. You might be surprised who taught them.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/040107.html

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Danzig,
I'm no fan of Iran...but regarding doing something illegal and trying to dictate terms...read this. You might be surprised who taught them.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/040107.html

Send that to the Iraqi and American families who have loved ones blown to bits by devices planted in the middle of markets selling vegetables in Iraq. The same devices that have Iranian signatures all over them. They will enjoy the comparison I am sure.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Send that to the Iraqi and American families who have loved ones blown to bits by devices planted in the middle of markets selling vegetables in Iraq. The same devices that have Iranian signatures all over them. They will enjoy the comparison I am sure.

Pgardn,
Many Iraqis have been killed by the US also.
Anyway, it looks like this situation is heating up.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

[GenuineRisk]

In the end, until we really commit to alternative energy, the Middle East will always have us over the (oil) barrel. I mean, the user does not dictate terms to the pusher. We want out of the Middle East, we need to find a different fuel source.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Pgardn,
Many Iraqis have been killed by the US also.
Anyway, it looks like this situation is heating up.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

We are not trying to add fuel to the fire. We are trying to find a way out. Iran is trying to create chaos. There is a big difference. As far as I know, we have not planted devices in the middle of civilian crowds in order to kill innocent people. And in the cases have been accused of killing innocents soldiers, we have publicized and brought them to trial.

We have made a mess out of the situation. But comparisons between a democratic government, and a government that is run by religious zealots is not a good way to argue a decent point.

That is a good April fools article. No way. Look at the sources. Its silly at this point.

"The British occupier forces did trespass our waters. Our border guards detained them with skill and bravery. But arrogant powers, because of their arrogant and selfish spirit, are claiming otherwise," IRNA quoted Ahmadinejad as saying during a speech in the southeastern city of Andinmeshk.

Please tell me you dont believe the above from the article. The British were doing what a UN charter has told them. And its pretty clear they were not in Iranian waters.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

In the end, until we really commit to alternative energy, the Middle East will always have us over the (oil) barrel. I mean, the user does not dictate terms to the pusher. We want out of the Middle East, we need to find a different fuel source.

GR,
That's not our only addiction.
http://www.alternet.org/workplace/49777/

I agree that there needs to be effort to find alternatives.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by pgardn

We are not trying to add fuel to the fire. We are trying to find a way out. Iran is trying to create chaos. There is a big difference. As far as I know, we have not planted devices in the middle of civilian crowds in order to kill innocent people. And in the cases have been accused of killing innocents soldiers, we have publicized and brought them to trial.

We have made a mess out of the situation. But comparisons between a democratic government, and a government that is run by religious zealots is not a good way to argue a decent point.

That is a good April fools article. No way. Look at the sources. Its silly at this point.

"The British occupier forces did trespass our waters. Our border guards detained them with skill and bravery. But arrogant powers, because of their arrogant and selfish spirit, are claiming otherwise," IRNA quoted Ahmadinejad as saying during a speech in the southeastern city of Andinmeshk.

Please tell me you dont believe the above from the article. The British were doing what a UN charter has told them. And its pretty clear they were not in Iranian waters.

Pgardn,
As I said before, I'm no fan of Iran.
Seems that the Russians had info leaked to them.
The article from the Jerusalem Post, though perhaps not translated correctly, wasn't posted by me as a "joke" in anyway.
This situation could very well serve as an excuse for many initiatives.
The motivations, alas, I can only speculate...diversion, saber rattling, oil, or...as has been played to advantage so many times previously, fear.
I'll watch to see how this shakes out and hope for a peaceful resolution.
In my opinion, enough blood has already been shed.

[Danzig]

and now it looks as tho they will be home on thursday, excellent news!

[timmgirvan]

"All's well that ends well"!

[Rileyoriley]

Very happy about that as my daughter is heading to England in 2 weeks for her school vacation!

Well the world showed them. Iran certainly wont do anything outrageous again after the strong rebuke and all the sanctions coming down. And he was shaking the "guests" hands as they left, wishing them well... what a crock o' crud.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Well the world showed them. Iran certainly wont do anything outrageous again after the strong rebuke and all the sanctions coming down. And he was shaking the "guests" hands as they left, wishing them well... what a crock o' crud.

better them than me. god, what a freaking ....argh...i can't think of a good word. must be bedtime.