A-rod.....

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Well,I have seen you go on and on with people on here in endless fights.IF you want to think HGH doesn't aid performance much,then keep believing it. I am not saying it's a horrible substance,but lets get a level playing field here.

[timmgirvan]

I have a limited experience with HGH back in the 80's...and I feel comfortable calling it a quasi-placebo, minimal effect on the procedures we were involved in Hospital programs.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I have a limited experience with HGH back in the 80's...and I feel comfortable calling it a quasi-placebo, minimal effect on the procedures we were involved in Hospital programs.

Did you study athletes with the high levels that athletes are now taking? I mean if you give joe the jeweler a lot of hgh he still isn't gunna be looking like an athlete would.This HGH is in all of us,but we lose it.So,if you just adjust the level back to the level one had in their teens,then you would be trying to have the body you had back then.I don't think athletes are trying to do this.They are using way more than a therapeutic amount.Look at Sean MACHEEL (GOLFER) who was out of energy,and was found to have low testosterone levels.The Man has come to life when putting that testosterone cream on.Saved his career.If athletes just used enough hgh to get to a level they had in their teens etc,then this wouldn't be a huge deal.I don't think this is gunna be an issue that much longer,because they will move on to something that is new,and more powerful.

[timmgirvan]

Good for Micheel! Anyone over 30 should have their testosterone checked...low levels inhibit sex drive, increase belly fat, osteoporosis! I would like to know what any athlete is thinking when messing with HGH. What proof do they have that they'll gain anything by using the stuff?

[byalip]

The whole set up of that game was bee-yoo--tee-ful.

Just to see ARod and the Yanks wipe those smirks off their faces when Okajima smoked 3 in a row after first short pitch.....worth a million.

ARod was so arrogant at that point--assuming he got a walk--and to see him get a weak little flare....worth 2 million

Watching Torre turn his usual shade of gray when disgusted.....priceless.

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomi...er-should-you/

Interesting piece

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Isn't he though. He has no pop on his fastball and the cutter just isn't there. Yankees are in desperate need of some pitching help and it's only April. They will win their fair share of games, but they are in trouble this year.

His numbers were starting to hint at this last year as his strikeout rate was way lower than it had been. The Scutaro HR came on a non cutting cutter. Guys are getting around on him, not taking defensive swings. He cant seem to control the inside part of the plate as he did during his dominance.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

His numbers were starting to hint at this last year as his strikeout rate was way lower than it had been. The Scutaro HR came on a non cutting cutter. Guys are getting around on him, not taking defensive swings. He cant seem to control the inside part of the plate as he did during his dominance.

How much they owe him? This his last year on contract?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomi...er-should-you/

Interesting piece

"While studies are sparse due to ethical limits, what studies have been done show that while growth hormone may promote muscle growth that it does not increase strength."

O.K.,SO THEY ARE ADMITTING THAT THEY HAVEN'T HAD STUDIES OF LARGE DOSE HGH ON ATHLETES.Let's assume it only does what most everybody admits it does.........chew up fat,and increase muscle definition. WTF is the 1st thing any cow losing weight will say when they start losing fat? ........."I FEEL GREAT".................LOL,you don't think that these guys feel more confident about themselves when they have "the look" they want? Confidence is strength.One way or the other this stuff produces strength(whether it be through muscle tissue,or brain tissue....... either way.)

[kenny p]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Yeah right! A HOF loser?? you can't be serious!

Im serious. I dont think he has ever been on a championship team at any level. Plus hes a headcase.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by kenny p

Im serious. I dont think he has ever been on a championship team at any level. Plus hes a headcase.

I believe that has played for the Seattle Mariners and Texas Rangers before the Yankees and I also believe that those 2 teams have combined for zero titles during there entire existences. Being on a championship team is just pure luck in most cases. If Jeter had been drafted by the Reds instead of the Yankees he'd be working on his 1st one too.

[kenny p]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe that has played for the Seattle Mariners and Texas Rangers before the Yankees and I also believe that those 2 teams have combined for zero titles during there entire existences. Being on a championship team is just pure luck in most cases. If Jeter had been drafted by the Reds instead of the Yankees he'd be working on his 1st one too.

I gotta disagree. Jeter was always clutch and found ways to make his team win. Arod alway folds up in big spots. Maybe this will be his year but I want to see it in the Fall.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by kenny p

I gotta disagree. Jeter was always clutch and found ways to make his team win. Arod alway folds up in big spots. Maybe this will be his year but I want to see it in the Fall.

Well I guess Jeter hasn't gotten it done in the fall since the 90's. Think about this. Why doesn't Jeter get heat for the Yankees not winning championships anymore? The Yankees were choking in the postseason a few years before Arod showed up.

Good pitching is what wins baseball championships, not clutch anything. The Yankees racked up championships when they had great pitching and haven't since they haven't regardless what the SS or 3rd baseman do.

The best player in baseball last year was Albert Pujols and he hit far below his regular season numbers in the playoffs and WS. But the Cards won anyway.

[steve]

or is it economics? his contract is up and now he is seeing the ball better?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by steve

or is it economics? his contract is up and now he is seeing the ball better?

How much more can he make?