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Originally Posted by Honu

There are threshold limits for every drug that can be legally administered , like here in cali your horse can have a C02 level of 35 millomoles which is considered even higher than what a horse would normally have in their sysytem.
I have been an Asst. Trainer and with all the horses that have came thru our barn we have never had even a close call as far as withdrawl times when following the recomended stoppage time and believe me we have had a lot of horses in our barn.
To me its not all about performance enhancing its about following the rules whatever they might be and alltho you might think its no big deal to have a lil clenbuteral overage or a bute overage , the people who are coming up with these positives are pushing the envelope.
If you thought your horse wasnt able to metabloize a certain drug within the withdrawl time wouldnt the smart and safe thing to do would be pull your horse off the meds even further in advance or get the vet to draw a blood?
Mandella has trained horses for over 30 years and do you know how many positive tests for overages he has had , 2 for bute in 30 years , I dont subscribe to that baloney that "my horse metabolizes slower" its just a bunch of horseshit IMO.

Good for Mandella - his stock just went up further in my book. BTW, can you tell us what ever happened to Newsworthy, haven't seen him since the Baldwin.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by cloud_break

Good for Mandella - his stock just went up further in my book. BTW, can you tell us what ever happened to Newsworthy, haven't seen him since the Baldwin.

He turned him out for a bit and he is back at Hollywood right now , he wasnt out long so he wont be far from running.

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Originally Posted by Honu

He turned him out for a bit and he is back at Hollywood right now , he wasnt out long so he wont be far from running.

Thanks for the update.

[parsixfarms]

Aren't they simply saying that "if you play with fire, you might get burned."

[Linny]

Most horses are training on meds or some sort. There are guys that push far too much and get caught, often repeatedly. I wouldn't call it "playing with fire" which implies illegal activity. It's pushing your luck and/or hoping you wont get caught.

I do agree that there must be uniform national standards for meds. If you are operating out of (say) Fair Hill you have the possibility of running in NY, NJ, MD, DE, VA, PA or WV and you must fully understand (as must your vet) the different rules and regulations for each venue. It's an invitation for disaster for even an honest trainer.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Linny

Most horses are training on meds or some sort. There are guys that push far too much and get caught, often repeatedly. I wouldn't call it "playing with fire" which implies illegal activity. It's pushing your luck and/or hoping you wont get caught.

I realize that most horses in training are on some meds. That being said, the trainers with whom I have dealt, fearful of a potential positive due to withdrawal times, would err on the side of not entering, rather than enter and take their chnaces. I fail to see the difference between "pushing the envelope" and not playing by the rules.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Honu

There are threshold limits for every drug that can be legally administered , like here in cali your horse can have a C02 level of 35 millomoles which is considered even higher than what a horse would normally have in their sysytem.
I have been an Asst. Trainer and with all the horses that have came thru our barn we have never had even a close call as far as withdrawl times when following the recomended stoppage time and believe me we have had a lot of horses in our barn.
To me its not all about performance enhancing its about following the rules whatever they might be and alltho you might think its no big deal to have a lil clenbuteral overage or a bute overage , the people who are coming up with these positives are pushing the envelope.
If you thought your horse wasnt able to metabloize a certain drug within the withdrawl time wouldnt the smart and safe thing to do would be pull your horse off the meds even further in advance or get the vet to draw a blood?
Mandella has trained horses for over 30 years and do you know how many positive tests for overages he has had , 2 for bute in 30 years , I dont subscribe to that baloney that "my horse metabolizes slower" its just a bunch of horseshit IMO.

So,tell me,when Richard's barn is a little cold (like is has been at times during the last few years.......by his own admission in interviews) does it get the people working for him a little down? I mean, you know it's an uphill battle running a clean barn versus the documented cheats.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

So,tell me,when Richard's barn is a little cold (like is has been at times during the last few years.......by his own admission in interviews) does it get the people working for him a little down? I mean, you know it's an uphill battle running a clean barn versus the documented cheats.

yah man we do get down , we all work hard and really take an intrest in the horses , but we try and not dwell on the fact we know that some people are cheating. The one that pissed me off the worst was when Choctaw Nation beat Pleasantly Perfect in the San Diego handicap, I know that horse was shaked and it took bonus money out of my pocket.