Online Wagering

[fmc123412]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

A 10% bonus on winning bets is better than a 7% rebate, even if you make your picks by throwing darts. The math to prove that is really pretty simple.

However, the 10% bonus doesn't apply to place bets, so if fmc is making a lot of place bets, he/she is better off at Pinnacle.



The amount you bet doesn't matter. You get the same relative value out of a rebate or a bonus as a big bettor.

You can research the withdrawal fees yourself.

Why do you think VIP, Bodog and Bet365 are particularly good? None of those is nearly as good as Pinnacle or 5Dimes for horseracing.

Have you read the reviews at Sportsbookreview.com?

--Dunbar

I´ve read the reviews at SBR and thi is why I think VIP, Bodog and Bet365 are good for me. They are also rated A+, like Pinnacle. But are more pointed to small players, in my opinion.

I´ve almost decided which one to go, and I think I will take Pinnacle. But I also liked Bet365 (although I think there is a lot of UK horse racing and nearly nothing US races). Bodog and Tradesports looked fine to me too. I am still watching...Thanks a lot for your help!

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by fmc123412

I´ve read the reviews at SBR and thi is why I think VIP, Bodog and Bet365 are good for me. They are also rated A+, like Pinnacle. But are more pointed to small players, in my opinion.

I´ve almost decided which one to go, and I think I will take Pinnacle. But I also liked Bet365 (although I think there is a lot of UK horse racing and nearly nothing US races). Bodog and Tradesports looked fine to me too. I am still watching...Thanks a lot for your help!

fmc, "pointed to small players" mostly means they are afraid of big bettors and will take action against them. It does not mean that they will treat small players better than Pinnacle or 5Dimes will. For example, I have had my bet limits reduced at VIP's sister casino Gameday. I had my account at Bodog completely frozen. In both cases, it was simply a case of winning too steadily.

Why would you consider opening at Bodog instead of Pinnacle? At Pinnacle you would get a rebate on most of your horseracing bets. At Pinnacle you will get a better line for most of your other sports bets than you would get at Bodog.

I do not have experience at Bet365, but they do have a nice promotion going on now. It appears they are paying a 10-15% bonus on all win/place/exotic wins (bonus is paid on the amount won, not like 5Dimes which pays its bonus on the total payoff). This promotion has been "extended to July 30". If it were permanent, it would make Bet365 a serious contender for best racing sportsbook. Getting a 15% bonus on exotics is the best deal I know of for exotics, even if the bonus is paid only on the amount won.

I was not aware of the Bet365 promotion. This is why I like participating in forums like Derby Trail. I usually learn something, even when I start out trying to be helpful.

--Dunbar

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by fmc123412

I´ve almost decided which one to go, and I think I will take Pinnacle. But I also liked Bet365 (although I think there is a lot of UK horse racing and nearly nothing US races).

There is not much US racing on Tuesdays. Check Bet365 again tomorrow to get a better idea of what tracks they take bets on.

--Dunbar

[fmc123412]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

fmc, "pointed to small players" mostly means they are afraid of big bettors and will take action against them. It does not mean that they will treat small players better than Pinnacle or 5Dimes will. For example, I have had my bet limits reduced at VIP's sister casino Gameday. I had my account at Bodog completely frozen. In both cases, it was simply a case of winning too steadily.

Why would you consider opening at Bodog instead of Pinnacle? At Pinnacle you would get a rebate on most of your horseracing bets. At Pinnacle you will get a better line for most of your other sports bets than you would get at Bodog.

I do not have experience at Bet365, but they do have a nice promotion going on now. It appears they are paying a 10-15% bonus on all win/place/exotic wins (bonus is paid on the amount won, not like 5Dimes which pays its bonus on the total payoff). This promotion has been "extended to July 30". If it were permanent, it would make Bet365 a serious contender for best racing sportsbook. Getting a 15% bonus on exotics is the best deal I know of for exotics, even if the bonus is paid only on the amount won.

I was not aware of the Bet365 promotion. This is why I like participating in forums like Derby Trail. I usually learn something, even when I start out trying to be helpful.

--Dunbar

Dunbar,

Now I understood what they mean by small bettors...lol....

The big problem I see on Pinnacle is that they assume I am a experienced bettor and since I have no experience in betting outside my country, I barely understand their terms and definitions on the website. I need a more easy-to-use website, where I can get the explanation of these terms and the method of calculus of the wages and their payoffs.

Another point is that Bet365 has some differente bets that there are not on Pinnacle, like the World Cup Top Goal Scorer, The first team to receive a yellow card on a game, etc....On Pinnacle we can only bet on a game (team X win or loses); nothing else....

Thank you again!

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by fmc123412

I´ve read the reviews at SBR and thi is why I think VIP, Bodog and Bet365 are good for me. They are also rated A+, like Pinnacle. But are more pointed to small players, in my opinion.

I´ve almost decided which one to go, and I think I will take Pinnacle. But I also liked Bet365 (although I think there is a lot of UK horse racing and nearly nothing US races). Bodog and Tradesports looked fine to me too. I am still watching...Thanks a lot for your help!

Avoid BoDog like the plague...they toss you if you win, manipulate the juice and lines on sports betting, and are not ashamed of doing it. They are a highly successful operation because they get bigger margins off the little guys, while Pinnacle makes slim margins on big volume...Pinnacle will take small bets, so that's the way to go. Set up a Neteller account if you want to get free payouts.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by fmc123412

Another point is that Bet365 has some differente bets that there are not on Pinnacle, like the World Cup Top Goal Scorer, The first team to receive a yellow card on a game, etc....On Pinnacle we can only bet on a game (team X win or loses); nothing else....

Look under "Propositions" at Pinnacle. You will find these, for example:
I hope it's enough! :>)

http://www7.pinnaclesports.com/guest...taly%2FUkraine

Fri 6/30 Team to take first Throw-In
11:59 AM 4001 Italy -109
4002 Ukraine -101
Fri 6/30 Team to take first Goal Kick
11:59 AM 4003 Italy +120
4004 Ukraine -130
Fri 6/30 Team to commit first foul
11:59 AM 4005 Italy +110
4006 Ukraine -120
Fri 6/30 Team to take first corner kick
11:59 AM 4007 Italy -150
4008 Ukraine +140
Fri 6/30 Will a penalty kick be awarded?
11:59 AM 4009 Yes +255
4010 No -285
Fri 6/30 Will L.Toni (must start) score for Italy?
11:59 AM 4013 Yes +185
4014 No -210
Fri 6/30 Will A.Gilardino (must start) score for Italy?
11:59 AM 4015 Yes +232
4016 No -272
Fri 6/30 Will A.Pirlo (must start) score for Italy?
11:59 AM 4017 Yes +688
4018 No -988
Fri 6/30 Will G.Gattuso (must start) score for Italy?
11:59 AM 4019 Yes +1400
4020 No -1800
Fri 6/30 Will F.Totti (must start) score for Italy?
11:59 AM 4023 Yes +235
4024 No -260
Fri 6/30 Will A.Shevchenko (must start) score for Ukraine?
11:59 AM 4025 Yes +279
4026 No -339
Fri 6/30 Will A.Voronin (must start) score for Ukraine?
11:59 AM 4027 Yes +575
4028 No -700
Fri 6/30 Will O.Byelik (must start) score for Ukraine?
11:59 AM 4029 Yes +860
4030 No -1160
Fri 6/30 Will A.Vorobei (must start) score for Ukraine?
11:59 AM 4031 Yes +900
4032 No -1200
Fri 6/30 Will O.Gusev (must start) score for Ukraine?
11:59 AM 4033 Yes +900
4034 No -1200
Fri 6/30 Will S.Rebrov (must start) score for Ukraine?
11:59 AM 4035 Yes +575
4036 No -700
Fri 6/30 Will Italy lead at HT AND win in Reg. Time?
11:59 AM 4137 Yes +172
4138 No