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05-15-2007, 09:15 PM
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05-15-2007, 09:17 PM
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I've been reading a lot about this tonight, interested in seeing how pro-LGBT groups would respond. It's hard, because like the passage I'm going to quote says, we don't like to speak ill of people when they pass. It doesn't lead me to take any joy in his passing, but it's so hard for me to reconcile my feelings of sympathy for his family with my knowledge of his extreme intolerance and hateful words including the fact that I am personally responsible for 9/11. I guess it's going to be a strange tightrope to walk in dealing with the passing of a public figure who to many was a direct line to Jesus, who at the same time I think was a terrible, hateful follower of Jesus who had warped Christ's message in so many unintelligible circles that it had become completely unrecognizable when place side by side with Christ.
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05-15-2007, 09:24 PM
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In what ways did he change the message? I'm not super familiar with his stances.
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05-15-2007, 09:32 PM
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I recommend reading to the bottom of this blog entry, at which point there are loads of links to Media Matters with some classic Falwell quotes. Red Letter Christians would not find any instance in which Jesus hated anyone. Whether He agreed or not, He never went out of his way to hurt others. The mainstream media may whitewash his history to try to come off sympathetic, but his legacy will always be one of intolerance and shameful hate. http://pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1681
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05-15-2007, 09:48 PM
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You don't have the link to my blog, so you wouldn't know that I've talked about him before. I've referenced him as a terrible messenger for Christ, in my opinion, on my Myspace page. The only thing that has changed since he died this afternoon regarding your "say what you would if he were still alive" thing, is that I don't feel right speaking with the same vitriol towards him that I normally have in the past. That's human nature, or at least it is my nature, to not **** talk the dead the day of their passing. It's in poor taste, and I'll need a few days to digest the ramifications of what this means for me -- balancing my displeasure with the loss of human life with the pleasure of one less hateful voice on the airwaves. So it's not "parroting" in the DTS sense, but rather a time for me to take a day or two and reflect on all of the things that I think about people like him and balance that with how I feel about anyone's passing. Sorry if I've so offended you in quoting a blog instead of posting my own thoughts about a man who most homosexuals considered Enemy #1 for his hate.
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05-15-2007, 09:49 PM
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05-15-2007, 09:54 PM
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PS, my picture is cut with the most ****ed up sizing, and I've been unable to frame it yet because it's got the strangest dimensions that are not what the website said they would be. I blame you.
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05-15-2007, 10:08 PM
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05-15-2007, 10:27 PM
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05-15-2007, 10:28 PM
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I'm staying out of this pretty much as I want to remain true to my belief that we should not take a person's death as an opportunity to discredit him/her. I've heard him say some pretty outrageous stuff over the years, and I honestly think the "christian right movement" (defined by Falwell, Robertson and others...not me) has done a lot of harm to our society...no one man is to blame for that however. To clarify a point raised earlier, if my memory serves me correctly and I'm pretty sure it does, Flint went far beyond ridiculing Falwell in Hustler, he published at least one cartoon (may have been several) depicting Falwell's mother in hardcore sexual activities...I read Hustler in those days and I thought they went far beyond any level of decency (I think they were far worse than his Chester the Child Molester cartoons). Again, there is plenty we can debate about the man, but I wouldn't have appreciated those cartoons either!
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05-15-2007, 10:40 PM
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05-16-2007, 08:27 AM
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Let's let Rev. Falwell speak in his own words, shall we?
 “Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions” “AIDS is not just God’s punishment for homosexuals; it is God’s punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals” “Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan in America” “The idea that religion and politics don’t mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country” “If you’re not a born-again Christian, you’re a failure as a human being” “The ACLU is to Christians what the American Nazi party is to Jews” “God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve” “(re: 9/11 attacks) “...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad…I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America…I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen.”” “[homosexuals are] brute beasts…part of a vile and satanic system [that] will be utterly annihilated, and there will be a celebration in heaven.” “I think the Moslem faith teaches hate.” I myself don't think a rigid adherence to one's principles/idealogy is necessarily a character asset- one could say that about Hitler, too, after all. And the current feller in the White House. He's doing a heck of a job, isn't he?
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05-16-2007, 01:11 PM
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"a DTS move"? Comeon! Where did I do that on this thread? Falwell corrupted the loving teachings of Jesus and supported hatered. Hence, he helped create the corrupt government that we now endure. Yes, unfortunately, he mirrored our society. He played the "hate card" always and often. Even McCain called him on it. Seems that this snakeoil salesman knew how to sell...who was buying. his Liberty graduates infest our government. His legacy will take years to be resolved, as will the corrupt government he helped put in place. Note...I didn't say "elect". Now, my only fond wish for the late "Rev" Falwell is that his cellmate in the hot place has a bobblehead Tinky Winky, and that the cellmate is very big, very black, and very gay. Also, that there is no available vasoline.
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05-17-2007, 09:20 AM
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So you admire Hitler for his rigid adherence to his idealogy, B? I'm confused as to what that roll of the eyes means.
The selective quoting of me, however, was an excellent example of taking things out of context. Which a lot of right-wing Bible thumpers do like to do with their book, too. I actually left out Falwell's comment that: Is the Antichrist "alive and here today? Probably, because when he appears during the tribulation period he will be a full-grown counterfeit of Christ. Of course he'll be Jewish." Tempting though it was, because I do really believe, after reading all his comments on it, he really didn't intend that particular comment to be anti-Semitic. But out of context it's pretty inflammatory, huh? Even in context, it's still pretty silly, but hey, it was Falwell. Here are some more highlights from his "principled" career: <<February 1993: The Internal Revenue Service determines that funds from Falwell’s Old Time Gospel Hour program were illegally funneled to a political action committee. The IRS forced Falwell to pay $50,000 and retroactively revoked the Old Time Gospel Hour’s tax-exempt status for 1986-87. March 1993: Despite his promise to Jewish groups to stop referring to America as a “Christian nation,” Falwell gives a sermon saying, “We must never allow our children to forget that this is a Christian nation. We must take back what is rightfully ours.” 1994-1995: Falwell is criticized for using his “Old Time Gospel Hour” to hawk a scurrilous video called “The Clinton Chronicles” that makes a number of unsubstantiated charges against President Bill Clinton — among them that he is a drug addict and that he arranged the murders of political enemies in Arkansas. Despite claims he had no ties to the project, evidence surfaced that Falwell helped bankroll the venture with $200,000 paid to a group called Citizens for Honest Government (CHG). CHG’s Pat Matrisciana later admitted that Falwell and he staged an infomercial interview promoting the video in which a silhouetted reporter said his life was in danger for investigating Clinton. (Matrisciana himself posed as the reporter.) “That was Jerry’s idea to do that,” Matrisciana recalled. “He thought that would be dramatic.” November 1997: Falwell accepts $3.5 million from a front group representing controversial Korean evangelist Sun Myung Moon to ease Liberty University’s financial woes. April 1998: Confronted on national television with a controversial quote from America Can Be Saved!, a published collection of his sermons, Falwell denies having written the book or had anything to do with it. In the 1979 work, Falwell wrote, “I hope to live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won’t have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!” Despite Falwell’s denial, Sword of the Lord Publishing, which produced the book, confirms that Falwell wrote it.>>
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That's pretty nasty any way you cut it, and sort of does advocate killing people.
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