Clinton Portis

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

DUI is a far more serious crime than dog fighting and has definitely ruined more lives. If it's lessened as an offense then you're practically giving alchoholics the right to drive while intoxicated which will lead to more accidents and fatalities.

I agree with you that DUI is a serious offense and drinking per se ruins countless lives...the problem is incarceration has proven to be ineffective in dealing with same...we need earlier and better treatment and the use of technology to disable vehicles etc thus keeping drunks off the road. I'm not saying some don't need incarceration but I'm merely pointing out that aside from keeping them off the road for their length of imprisonment, little is gained.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

DUI is a far more serious crime than dog fighting and has definitely ruined more lives. If it's lessened as an offense then you're practically giving alchoholics the right to drive while intoxicated which will lead to more accidents and fatalities.

And...I never said to "lessen the offense" but that's not an argument for viewing dog fighting in the context of "no big deal cause there are worse crimes". Using that logic, we'd only punish murderers.

Originally Posted by somerfrost

And...I never said to "lessen the offense" but that's not an argument for viewing dog fighting in the context of "no big deal cause there are worse crimes". Using that logic, we'd only punish murderers.

Yeah but you want Vick to lose his job so I take it you want all offenders to lose their jobs. People that get DUI's, for the most part, don't lose theirs. That kind of mentality creates a welfare state where these offenders can't find work and end up on SSI. Who pays for that? We do. It's a little overboard, don't ya think?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yeah but you want Vick to lose his job so I take it you want all offenders to lose their jobs. People that get DUI's, for the most part, don't lose theirs. That kind of mentality creates a welfare state where these offenders can't find work and end up on SSI. Who pays for that? We do. It's a little overboard, don't ya think?

Actually, a lot of folks who get DUI's lose their jobs and I doubt we'll see Vick on welfare but again, this is all a smokescreen. It's a rather obvious attempt to divert attention away from the issue here by arguing points that have nothing to do with the issue...here is my position:
Dog fighting is morally wrong
Dog fighting is illegal in all 50 states, a felony in 48
Vick has been accused of involvement
He is innocent until proven guilty so I'm not saying take action now
If he is convicted he should be sentenced according to the law
In Va that means 5 years I believe
It is my personal belief that the NFL should ban for life anyone convicted of this crime
Portis voiced an opinion
He also implied other may be involved including himself
This should be investigated
In any event, I disagree with Portis' pov and have said so
As a Skins fan, I'd rather he not be on the team...that however is not up to me.

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Actually, a lot of folks who get DUI's lose their jobs and I doubt we'll see Vick on welfare but again, this is all a smokescreen. It's a rather obvious attempt to divert attention away from the issue here by arguing points that have nothing to do with the issue...here is my position:
Dog fighting is morally wrong
Dog fighting is illegal in all 50 states, a felony in 48
Vick has been accused of involvement
He is innocent until proven guilty so I'm not saying take action now
If he is convicted he should be sentenced according to the law
In Va that means 5 years I believe
It is my personal belief that the NFL should ban for life anyone convicted of this crime
Portis voiced an opinion
He also implied other may be involved including himself
This should be investigated
In any event, I disagree with Portis' pov and have said so
As a Skins fan, I'd rather he not be on the team...that however is not up to me.

Michael Vick is a moron. Without a steady stream of income he would be bankrupt in two years tops.

He's the star athlete in any high school USA except he made it. The majority of the rest are either in jail or on parole.

Dog fighting is rampant in the south. Local law enforcement simply does not have the time, money, or manpower to crack down on it.

Proving Michael Vick had anything to do with dog fighting is going to be a waste of time. The evidence will be circumstantial at best and he has the money to fight it.

This is just another story ESPN will ride until another star athlete gets caught doing something stupid.

If the new commissioner keeps this up the NFL will look like MLB when it was on strike.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

What did Portis do?? Say something stupid?? (of course none of us have ever done that..oh no.) Incredibly, I'm guessing some might even call my first post in this thread stupid...even mortimer who is quite possibly the most intelligent person ever placed on this planet (according to Garp.) Which may or may not be true. I don't know Clinton Portis from Adam, but he has every right to say what he did. Until Michael Vick is convicted of something, I really don't know what he did either.

I haven't read the entire thread because I couldn't pass over this comment without a response....You don't know what he did wrong? You can't be serious....Besides the statement itself, here is the issue....His athletic ability has placed him in a position where he is not only a good football player, he is a respresentative of Joe Gibbs, The Washington Redskins, and the NFL. Whether he likes it, you like it, or anyone else likes, what he did was promote dog fighting.....to say there is nothing wrong with it as long as it's on private property....All he did was portray the exact image that the NFL, NBA, and every other major league sport is trying to get away from....I'm a big bad professional athlete and will dress as I please, say what I want, and about the only thing that you can do is boo me....that's b.s......

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yeah but you want Vick to lose his job so I take it you want all offenders to lose their jobs. People that get DUI's, for the most part, don't lose theirs. That kind of mentality creates a welfare state where these offenders can't find work and end up on SSI. Who pays for that? We do. It's a little overboard, don't ya think?

So say you own your own business (which you may, I have no idea) and let's say that your business depends on not only service/performance, but image as well in order to be successful and you have an employee that is publicly charged and convicted of a felony. Is he or she still going to be on your payroll? I don't think anyone wishes anyone to lose to their jobs, all we want is the responsibility taken for the product we are paying for.....

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Samarta

I haven't read the entire thread because I couldn't pass over this comment without a response....You don't know what he did wrong? You can't be serious....Besides the statement itself, here is the issue....His athletic ability has placed him in a position where he is not only a good football player, he is a respresentative of Joe Gibbs, The Washington Redskins, and the NFL. Whether he likes it, you like it, or anyone else likes, what he did was promote dog fighting.....to say there is nothing wrong with it as long as it's on private property....All he did was portray the exact image that the NFL, NBA, and every other major league sport is trying to get away from....I'm a big bad professional athlete and will dress as I please, say what I want, and about the only thing that you can do is boo me....that's b.s......

I'm just defending him. What did he do?? A point I was trying to make is that there are those who would consider horse racing as barbaric and cruel as dog fighting. Do I agree with that?? No I don't, but I can understand the point of view those who view horse racing like that are coming from. Someone growing up in poor, rural Mississippi, would most likely have a different point of view on dog fighting (Portis) than I would. I'm not sure I understand his view, but unless he is currently fighting dogs, he has done nothing wrong other than say stupid words. I view horse racing as majestic animals running and excitement. Others may view it as animals being mercilessly drugged so we can bet and having many (in their point of view) snap their legs in their drug laden eforts. The truth on horse racing is somewhere in the middle most likely. The same with this dog fighting issue. I agree with PIllow, in the overall scheme of life, alcohol is a much bigger threat to society than these people fighting dogs. Should it happen?? Of course not...but lots of things shouldn't happen in this world that do...and on the large scale, I'm not sure dog fighting is high on the list of things that shouldn't happen that we should try to stop...it should certainly be on the list, but lot's more things have priority over that.

[Mortimer]

Holy Mother of God.







A guy makes a simple comment about shameful dog fighting and now others essentially are accusing him of being Satan himself.


I think we all here know that would be Dimmy.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'm just defending him. What did he do?? A point I was trying to make is that there are those who would consider horse racing as barbaric and cruel as dog fighting. Do I agree with that?? No I don't, but I can understand the point of view those who view horse racing like that are coming from. Someone growing up in poor, rural Mississippi, would most likely have a different point of view on dog fighting (Portis) than I would. I'm not sure I understand his view, but unless he is currently fighting dogs, he has done nothing wrong other than say stupid words. I view horse racing as majestic animals running and excitement. Others may view it as animals being mercilessly drugged so we can bet and having many (in their point of view) snap their legs in their drug laden eforts. The truth on horse racing is somewhere in the middle most likely. The same with this dog fighting issue. I agree with PIllow, in the overall scheme of life, alcohol is a much bigger threat to society than these people fighting dogs. Should it happen?? Of course not...but lots of things shouldn't happen in this world that do...and on the large scale, I'm not sure dog fighting is high on the list of things that shouldn't happen that we should try to stop...it should certainly be on the list, but lot's more things have priority over that.

well obviously some things are more evil than others..but like they say, the lesser of two evils is still evil.

i'm amazed (but not terribly) at what people say when a microphone is put in front of them. it's like their iq level drops, and the blather begins.

no telling if vick was involved, if he was he should be punished appropriately by the powers that be. and if the nfl has rules regarding felony convictions, then he should face punishment by them as well. as for portis, i know he has already apologized for his statements...for what that's worth.

[Mortimer]

Oh just put him in a cage with Hanford Dixon.





My money's on Dixon.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by Danzig

well obviously some things are more evil than others..but like they say, the lesser of two evils is still evil.

i'm amazed (but not terribly) at what people say when a microphone is put in front of them. it's like their iq level drops, and the blather begins.

no telling if vick was involved, if he was he should be punished appropriately by the powers that be. and if the nfl has rules regarding felony convictions, then he should face punishment by them as well. as for portis, i know he has already apologized for his statements...for what that's worth.

This is kinda what I'm saying....my thoughts weren't necessarily about whether or not he promotes dog fighting, but the fact that he would say what he said. You know why can't someone just say "no comment" ......it just blows my mind when athletes make this kinds of remarks over and over and over again....Doesn't matter if it's comments about dogfighting or how to smuggle weed in a fake bottle in the airport....just shut up already....

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Samarta

This is kinda what I'm saying....my thoughts weren't necessarily about whether or not he promotes dog fighting, but the fact that he would say what he said. You know why can't someone just say "no comment" ......it just blows my mind when athletes make this kinds of remarks over and over and over again....Doesn't matter if it's comments about dogfighting or how to smuggle weed in a fake bottle in the airport....just shut up already....

Exactly, if you aren't sure, keep your mouth shut. By the way 66 dogs were taken from the house owned by Vick, 55 are pits...all will be destroyed if determined to be fighters. For now, I'll say nothing more...

[alysheba4]

isnt portis from miami?? man, thats a shock.........

[sumitas]

Portis showed a shocking lack of morals in his comments.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Exactly, if you aren't sure, keep your mouth shut. By the way 66 dogs were taken from the house owned by Vick, 55 are pits...all will be destroyed if determined to be fighters. For now, I'll say nothing more...

I'm not sure why someone would have 55 pit bulls at once. Does look bad unfortunately.

[SentToStud]

Where the hell are the agents for these guys? These players earn, what, $3-5 Million a year and their agents probably get 5% of that. For that amount of money, they should know their clients better and tell them not to say stupid sht. Whoever is Portis' agent certainly hasn't earned his keep, that's for sure.

[Samarta]

well but the agents can't be there all the time...this looked like just an impromptu interview in which Portis made an ass out of himself and the Redskins....

[ninetoone]

Miami U - you can't stop your punkness, you can only hope to contain it.

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

No ripping but I disagree. As a long time PETA member and someone who worked for years in horse rescue, I've seen the dark underbelly of racing...there are folks who should be banned from the sport as they don't give a damn about the welfare of the horses, I could spend days relating horror stories...that said, most folks in the sport love horses and really do care about them. I'm not talking about degenerate gamblers who only see a number and care only if they cash or not, but I worked on the backstretch, it's a tough life, dirty, long hours, little money...you only do it if you love horses! Anything that involves people has it's share of bad folk but, as a whole, I think people who work in racing with the horses are among the best people I've ever met. The object of racing isn't cruelty, it isn't torture, it isn't totally disregarding the preciousness of life...dog fighting, coc-k fighting, bull fights are all human perversion. They are in no way the same as racing. And...they are against the law. Portis and his like don't get that...I worked in the prisons for ten years, I heard it every day, "Other people do it, it isn't fair that I'm being punished" That is a morally bandrupt point of view...we all have free will, we make our own choices and we are each responsible for our actions. A dog isn't property, neither is a horse, chicken, cow or any animal...they are living beings and their lives are sacred. Man has dominion over the animals, we eat meat and use their hides but we have no right to torture them or kill them simply for enjoyment. It is a fact that kids who torture and kill animals often go on to exhibit extreme sociopathic behavior...an early warning sign of a budding serial killer is his/her killing of neighborhood pets. This isn't just some unimportant entertainment or cultural
issue...this is serious stuff!

Curious I have never known a PETA person that supports Horseracing, isn't it against the rules. And in many states dogs and domestic animals including livestock are classified as chattel/property. I am also in breed rescue, I save the power breeds. But I am in no way a supporter of PETA, HSUS, or any of the other animal RIGHTS, not welfare but animal RIGHTS groups.
Albeit the article/interview is ridiculous, dog fighting is a felony period, even in our heathen state of Louisiana.
It is also serious stuff that animal rights groups want to take away many of our rights around the world.
I just don't get PETA and enjoying horseracing, best be careful they may take your card away. OH yeah, they just want your money.
And isn't PETA that just went to court for killing strays...hmmmmm