Rags to Riches confirmed for Belmont - Page 2

fpsoxfan · #21 06-05-2007, 10:02 AM

It certainly adds much more flavor to the race. Finally some half way decent news in the horse racing department.

blackthroatedwind · #22 06-05-2007, 10:04 AM

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He'll have the favorite in both of them anyways, albeit not an overwhelming choice like Rags would have been in the Mother Goose.

We'll see how Dream Rush does in the Acorn. She may not maintain her performances as the races get longer but she's certainly a faster filly than Octave so far.

The thought of Octave winning big races saddens me.

Stall Mucker · #23 06-05-2007, 10:06 AM

Thank you Mista Pletcha.
To those who thought the complection of the race changed when Digger was entered. What say you now?

lemoncrush · #24 06-05-2007, 10:09 AM

and thank you Todd for not entering Circular quay in an impossible spot.
I surely would have burned more money on this colt, despite knowing there's no way he wants to go 12F.

I'm guessing Rags will be the 3rd betting choice...probably around 9-2 or so.

blackthroatedwind · #25 06-05-2007, 10:12 AM

I bet she's second choice.

philcski · #26 06-05-2007, 10:15 AM

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We'll see how Dream Rush does in the Acorn. She may not maintain her performances as the races get longer but she's certainly a faster filly than Octave so far.

The thought of Octave winning big races saddens me.

Agreed, I don't like Octave or Cotton Blossom much at all. Panty Raid is his 2nd best filly and hopefully he'll get kicked upside the head and realize that soon.

I'm concerned about regression from Dream Rush. That was such a huge race in the Nassau, she can't possibly go forward from that. She might be able to regress a bit and still win, depending on what speed enters.

The Acorn is one of my favorite races of the year because of the handicapping challenge of it- you typically have stretchouts from the Nassau/other sprints, holdovers from the Comely, and cutbacks from the Oaks or BES. People tend to overlook the closing cutback types and they have won at a very high rate- the last 5 were all coming out of sharp efforts in 2 turn races. I can't remember where Finder's Fee ran prior in '01.

Scav · #27 06-05-2007, 10:16 AM

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I bet she's second choice.

But does she have a shot, I am going to say no, and is a huge underlay. Curlin and Spun are faster even though I like neither of them. And her being 3 or 4/1 isn't playable. I might play Spun by default at 6/1, he should love the distance and having that bs horse in there will benefit him as that he should get first run while sitting 2w about 2 lengths off

The Indomitable DrugS · #28 06-05-2007, 10:17 AM

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We'll see how Dream Rush does in the Acorn. She may not maintain her performances as the races get longer but she's certainly a faster filly than Octave so far.

The thought of Octave winning big races saddens me.

Will Octave run in the Acorn or the Mother Goose?

It seems as though Pletcher has suggested that he might now run Cotton Blossom in the Acorn and Octave in the Mother Goose.

If that's so---Dream Rush will be the favorite in the Acorn and I'd assume Christmas Kid the 2nd choice.

slotdirt · #29 06-05-2007, 10:17 AM

I bet you'll get a better price on Hard Spun than on the filly.

KY_Sasquash · #30 06-05-2007, 10:18 AM

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This filly was the only real chance he had at any of the triple crown races. Hes the only one that couldnt see that

Didnt realize that his owners were blind

blackthroatedwind · #31 06-05-2007, 10:19 AM

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Will Octave run in the Acorn or the Mother Goose?

It seems as though Pletcher has suggested that he might now run Cotton Blossom in the Acorn and Octave in the Mother Goose.

If that's so---Dream Rush will be the favorite in the Acorn and I'd assume Christmas Kid the 2nd choice.

I'm not a big Christmas Kid fan.....and Cotton Blossom is ridiculously weak. You may be right, Octave could wait until the Mother Goose.

I won't even address Phil's silly rmarks about Dream Rush regressing after her absurd walk in the park in the Nassau. If that race took something out of her then the game is an even bigger joke than I think it is.

Sightseek · #32 06-05-2007, 10:20 AM

Did Pletcher announce who will be riding her yet?

The Bid · #33 06-05-2007, 10:23 AM

KY_Sasquash

Maybe you are blind

I said he is the only one that hadnt realized that, never said anything about the owners

SniperSB23 · #34 06-05-2007, 10:24 AM

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I'm concerned about regression from Dream Rush. That was such a huge race in the Nassau, she can't possibly go forward from that. She might be able to regress a bit and still win, depending on what speed enters.

For the sake of your precious Panty you should be a lot more concerned about Dream Rush moving up off the Nassau! I think she is the only possible threat to Rags in the 3yo filly crop but I doubt her ability at a mile and an eighth to take down Rags. The Mother Goose should be interesting if Dream Rush is there as I think she might be good enough to beat the rest of the 3yo filly crop even at a less than desirable distance for her.

philcski · #35 06-05-2007, 10:24 AM

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I'm not a big Christmas Kid fan.....and Cotton Blossom is ridiculously weak. You may be right, Octave could wait until the Mother Goose.

I won't even address Phil's silly rmarks about Dream Rush regressing after her absurd walk in the park in the Nassau. If that race took something out of her then the game is an even bigger joke than I think it is.

She's a really nice filly, no question, and a mile isn't going to be a problem- but how often have we seen fillies like this go down in flames in the Acorn??

SniperSB23 · #36 06-05-2007, 10:25 AM

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Did Pletcher announce who will be riding her yet?

It has to be Prado, right?

blackthroatedwind · #37 06-05-2007, 10:26 AM

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She's a really nice filly, no question, and a mile isn't going to be a problem- but how often have we seen fillies like this go down in flames in the Acorn??

You'll have to give me some real examples.

Panty Raid is a joke by the way. The field she beat, with a perfect trip, in the Black Eyed Susan was disgraceful.

Stall Mucker · #38 06-05-2007, 10:27 AM

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It has to be Prado, right?

I'm guessin that TAP is looking for Prado as we thread.

The Indomitable DrugS · #39 06-05-2007, 10:27 AM

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I'm not a big Christmas Kid fan.....and Cotton Blossom is ridiculously weak. You may be right, Octave could wait until the Mother Goose.

Yes, CK would be VERY tough to play off a seemingly dream trip (who really knows what a dream trip on poly is though?) Grade 1 win at KEE...and those stakes in South Florida two and three back were watered down races....though I felt she was the best in those weak fields.

Dream Rush looks like the horse....but if Octave doesn't go...there goes any value.

Hopefully Pletcher decides to send both Octave and CB....and have Panty Raid as his Mother Goose horse.

philcski · #40 06-05-2007, 10:27 AM

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For the sake of your precious Panty you should be a lot more concerned about Dream Rush moving up off the Nassau! I think she is the only possible threat to Rags in the 3yo filly crop but I doubt her ability at a mile and an eighth to take down Rags. The Mother Goose should be interesting if Dream Rush is there as I think she might be good enough to beat the rest of the 3yo filly crop even at a less than desirable distance for her.

She's by Wild Rush out of an Unbridled mare. I don't question her ability to go a route, I'm wary of speed types in the Acorn.