Hard Spun - Haskell - Page 2

zippyneedsawin · #21 08-03-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What makes you think Hard Spun has become significantly better?

Exactly, he hasn't raced since the Belmont. I believe people are overthinking this. It's really between AGS and Curlin, especially with the likely pace scenario.

#22 08-03-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What makes you think Hard Spun has become significantly better?

I notice you did not ask why I think AGS has become better. His win over Nobiz was good, but there are other things that have happened to AGS imo.
Larry Jones on Hard Spun. Who may not be the most reliable of sources as he is very optimistic. In fact, if Curliln and AGS take enough money, I might just bet him.

gamblin4ever · #23 08-03-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think Hard Spun will be lucky to hit the board here. There is a lot of speed and sprinter speed at that. Stormello is very fast and Cable Boy has some speed.

Cable Boy has 2 fastest 1m70yd times @ Monmouth I believe.

slotdirt · #24 08-03-2007, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

oh me too! of course he complains when people confuse him with mario...

Does Mike make early moves on the Pimlico backstretch? If not, then I'm all for him getting the ride on Hard Spun?

Danzig · #25 08-03-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Sure, but it's important to realize that those 6 were all very logical, and stalkers and or front runners. I guess point Given in 2001 was more of a mid pack/closer, but with no speed he was up close. In 2002 obviously War Emblem was a front runner as we saw in the Derby and Preakness. Peace Rules in 2003, Lion Heart in 2004, Roman Ruler in 2005 and Bluegrass Cat last year.

Am I the only one that thinks there is other speed in here and Curlin and Any Given Saturday are better horses?

no, there's other speed in there--but remember where the other speed that tried to go with hard spun finished in the derby? they couldn't keep up with him, and he damned near won it...of course, curlin suffered from a poor trip, and came on for third--he's the one to beat here, but i think hard spun can do it.

of course a spun/curlin ex won't pay jack. but i think it's those two at the wire.

Danzig · #26 08-03-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Does Mike make early moves on the Pimlico backstretch? If not, then I'm all for him getting the ride on Hard Spun?

not so sure...hard to find stats on him too! he's a mystery guy.

herkhorse · #27 08-03-2007, 08:43 PM

HS-AGS/HS-AGS/All/Curlin Superfecta

#28 08-03-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I didn't ask why you thought AGS was better because there is evidence he's better. His Dwyer was a huge step forward.

Trainerspeak is probably the worse thing you can listen to. What's Jones going to say, that he's expecting to run bad?

No its what he is not saying as well... Asmussen on Curlin: The ultimate goal is the BCC of course.
How about asking Asmussen if wanted a slower track another 1/16 or an 1/8 was added. You think he would take that? I do.

Hard Spun has muscled up and ready for this race. We will see if the other speed hurts him. And if Hard Spun goes off at 5/2 Im not biting. Im counting on AGS to be the second favorite.

whodey17 · #29 08-03-2007, 09:31 PM

I pesonally would love to see this horse on turf. He has a decent turf line on the sire side with My Babu and Djebel

Danzig · #30 08-04-2007, 10:08 AM

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That's the thing though, no one really did go with him in the Derby, he had it pretty much his own way. Stormello, who IMO is faster than Hard Spun took back.

All I know is, if Hard Spun wins I'll have plenty of crow to eat and I'll be losing money.

oh yeah!! the 'new' stormello...they suddenly were going to teach him to rate....that worked well.

sumitas · #31 08-04-2007, 11:28 AM

Stormello could very well be the fastest 3 year old miler running today. He should be in the top 3 at the wire.

Samarta · #32 08-04-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Stormello seemed like he was rated a bit in the Derby, like was said earlier he also broke from post 17. We saw the real Stormello in the Woody Stephens. He's fast. Maybe he doesn't go, although it would make no sense not to, as it appears that is the only way he wins. Maybe Cable boy doesn't go either but I think the Hard Spuns Derby run will be in their minds. I don't think he'll find himself alone on the lead. Any Given Saturday is my pick. He should get the right kind of trip and I'm hoping Curlin isn't 100%.

I think pino is in a weird spot here. He was criticized publicly and taken off the horse for moving too early. Gomez does the opposite and he's off. What does Pino do?

He makes em run him down.....it's that simple imo.....

Danzig · #33 08-04-2007, 07:12 PM

stormello scratched due to colic--hope he's ok.

that changes the scenario quite a bit.

alysheba4 · #34 08-05-2007, 09:23 AM

curlin will win the paid workout with ags running second......i know i am going out on a limb.........but curlin is in another area code compared to h.s

Danzig · #35 08-05-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by alysheba4

curlin will win the paid workout with ags running second......i know i am going out on a limb.........but curlin is in another area code compared to h.s

he sure is, why the derby proved that.

Samarta · #36 08-05-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by alysheba4

curlin will win the paid workout with ags running second......i know i am going out on a limb.........but curlin is in another area code compared to h.s

Maybe, maybe not, but nothing happened in the Preakness or the Belmont to make me think Curlin is in a different zip code. In fact I would say to the contrary. Hard Spun did what he did in spite of two horrible rides. Well I think the Preakness was more of a training issue than a ride issue, but in the Belmont, Gomez was literally standing up the in the irons with a strangle hold on him all the way up the back side. Horse had no chance in either race. I'm interested to see how this race unfolds. But I would not be surprised at all if Hard Spun wins this convincingly, nor would I be surprised if Curlin did the same.

The Bid · #37 08-05-2007, 10:51 AM

AGS going to be tough today

#38 08-05-2007, 11:09 AM

Curlin is a nose away from great doubt. He is also a nose away from 2 out of 3 TC wins. And if latter happened, the Derby stampede would have had people feeling deprived of a TC winner. The more I look at the Belmont, the more I still wonder. We had horses just absolutely walking with two under relaxed control, the others straining. Almost 1:16 at 6f... holy cow. Much worse than a Turf race.

So on a track that plays to speed, if Curlin wins this off this rest... Total respect. I dont have it now.

The Bid · #39 08-05-2007, 11:10 AM

He doesnt have to win today, he doesnt even have to run second

declansharbor · #40 08-05-2007, 11:30 AM

My opinion is that Curlin does not get to the winner's circle today and that AGS does not hit the board. We'll find out if Cable BOy is the goods by dinner time. Hard Spun will have first crack at the likely pacesetters Xchanger and CB. Hopefully, he can outlast a swift moving Curlin to his outside. HS/Curlin/Cable BOy. Tables are turned today.