Vick - Page 2

Danzig · #21 08-19-2007, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

I think that is a part of the contract they sign.
I will have to defer but I thought it was.

yes, it's part of the nfl code of conduct.

deltagulf · #22 08-19-2007, 10:14 AM

well with his high power attorneys and money. all he will get is maybe 1 year. he should get more but money talks. and he better plea bargain cause if he is charged with gambling the nfl will have to ban him. like hournig, karras back in the 60's.

Danzig · #23 08-19-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by deltagulf

well with his high power attorneys and money. all he will get is maybe 1 year. he should get more but money talks. and he better plea bargain cause if he is charged with gambling the nfl will have to ban him. like hournig, karras back in the 60's.

that's the sticking point, vick wants no jail and is probably offering to pay a HUGE fine rather than sit in jail. as for the gambling, was that anywhere in the original charge? or is that part of the pending charges? at any rate, if goodell and the nfl find that vick gambled, he's thru.
and of course now the falcons owner came out saying he was shocked (SHOCKED!!) that vick lied. oh, the humanity.
thing is, if he isn't banned for life (as an aside, you think rose has a shot in hell now of ever getting in the hall of fame with these recent scandals?) who will take him? especially when you consider he was more style than substance as a QB.

ALostTexan · #24 08-20-2007, 03:08 PM

So, he is going to plead guilty.

Will be interesting to see the deal he has worked out. His attorney has stated “Mr. Vick has agreed to enter a plea of guilty to those charges and to accept full responsibility for his actions and the mistakes he has made. Michael wishes to apologize again to everyone who has been hurt by this matter.”

Going to be interesting from here...

Cajungator26 · #25 08-20-2007, 04:56 PM

Ugh. I hope that thug never plays in the NFL again.

Danzig · #26 08-20-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Ugh. I hope that thug never plays in the NFL again.

i would bet money he won't. jail time, when he gets out then he gets his nfl suspension. minimum two years out of the league, two years gone. he'll be old news in '09. that's if he doesn't get a life time ban for the gambling. who would want him a couple years from now, along with all the circus that goes with him? besides, he's just not that good. not even top 20 last year--and there are only 32 teams!

somerfrost · #27 08-20-2007, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i would bet money he won't. jail time, when he gets out then he gets his nfl suspension. minimum two years out of the league, two years gone. he'll be old news in '09. that's if he doesn't get a life time ban for the gambling. who would want him a couple years from now, along with all the circus that goes with him? besides, he's just not that good. not even top 20 last year--and there are only 32 teams!

As I stated when the charges were originally filed, innocent until proven guilty or plea copped...now that he has done such, I think he MUST be banned for life, anything less will make a mockery of the NFL...and my PETA buddies will be at every game...as they should be! The latest revolting news, that he personally assisted in the murder of 8 dogs found too passive by hanging them first, then when three survived that horror, holding their heads under water until they drowned is not the actions of a man but a pile of dung...I will wait until the exact terms are announced as to exactly what he admits to but the writing is now on the wall...the bathroom wall!

Danzig · #28 08-20-2007, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

As I stated when the charges were originally filed, innocent until proven guilty or plea copped...now that he has done such, I think he MUST be banned for life, anything less will make a mockery of the NFL...and my PETA buddies will be at every game...as they should be! The latest revolting news, that he personally assisted in the murder of 8 dogs found too passive by hanging them first, then when three survived that horror, holding their heads under water until they drowned is not the actions of a man but a pile of dung...I will wait until the exact terms are announced as to exactly what he admits to but the writing is now on the wall...the bathroom wall!

i wonder tho if anyone would want him even if he's not banned for life--and i'll be completely surprised if he isn't banned permanently. he should be! just glad he's in the nfl, not in baseball. just look at how tough selig was on giambi.

somerfrost · #29 08-20-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i wonder tho if anyone would want him even if he's not banned for life--and i'll be completely surprised if he isn't banned permanently. he should be! just glad he's in the nfl, not in baseball. just look at how tough selig was on giambi.

Yeah, hopefully they will drop the hammer on him...if he isn't banned for life and some team picks him up in a couple years, they better be prepared for the reaction...the gambling issue should ultimately be enough to ban him for life though!

ddthetide · #30 08-20-2007, 08:44 PM

4pm espn radio was reporting vick agreed to 18-36 months in jail. jail time was the hold up in the plea and the feds wouldn't budge.
this piece of crap should never set foot on an nfl field again.

deltagulf · #31 08-20-2007, 08:53 PM

also atlanta should try and get back some of the money they have paid him.
he does not deserve it. he is a fellon.

hi_im_god · #32 08-20-2007, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by deltagulf

also atlanta should try and get back some of the money they have paid him.
he does not deserve it. he is a fellon.

maybe they should try to get san diego to give back ladainian tomlinson whom the chargers took after trading down to the #5 pick so atlanta could guarentee they got vick.

they might also have a call on san diego's 2nd round pick that year, drew brees.

did i mention atlanta also gave another player and 2 more picks?

ouch.

it almost makes me want to forget that whole ryan leaf mess.

on a completely seperate note i have started my own handicapping service.

it's guarenteed.

i provide the picks.

if you aren't completely satisfied send me the unbet portion of my picks and i'll return the unspent portion of your money.

#33 08-20-2007, 11:22 PM

I think the strategy will now be to show great grief over what he did. Promise to work for PETA (or some other organization that will have him) when he gets out, educating people about what he did and how he has changed.

He has got to do a total repent option play, time can heal bad memories. I think you might see him back on the field in the future if he plays a role of complete remorse. Grovel for forgiveness and hope public memory fades.

Cajungator26 · #34 08-20-2007, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

I think the strategy will now be to show great grief over what he did. Promise to work for PETA (or some other organization that will have him) when he gets out, educating people about what he did and how he has changed.

He has got to do a total repent option play, time can heal bad memories. I think you might see him back on the field in the future if he plays a role of complete remorse. Grovel for forgiveness and hope public memory fades.

Hate to be negative (but here I go anyway

), but "I'm sorry" won't bring back the lives of those dogs he killed. He's a straight up prick... I'm not Jesus and therefore I won't forgive and forget that stuff.

hi_im_god · #35 08-20-2007, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

I think the strategy will now be to show great grief over what he did. Promise to work for PETA (or some other organization that will have him) when he gets out, educating people about what he did and how he has changed.

He has got to do a total repent option play, time can heal bad memories. I think you might see him back on the field in the future if he plays a role of complete remorse. Grovel for forgiveness and hope public memory fades.

and hope that some owner wants a pet murdering qb as the face of their team.

that'll help their marketing.

#36 08-21-2007, 12:28 AM

Im shut down.

somerfrost · #37 08-21-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

I think the strategy will now be to show great grief over what he did. Promise to work for PETA (or some other organization that will have him) when he gets out, educating people about what he did and how he has changed.

He has got to do a total repent option play, time can heal bad memories. I think you might see him back on the field in the future if he plays a role of complete remorse. Grovel for forgiveness and hope public memory fades.

That would be what an intelligent human being would do...I don't see Vick swallowing his ego long enough to play that game (at least without choking on it)...somehow, I don't see PETA having any use for him, if they do, I'll cancel my membership!

The Bid · #38 08-21-2007, 05:22 PM

Hes a sicko, there is no doubt he deserves to be punished. That being said if you compare dogfighting to child molestation who should get more prisontime? You have many first time sexual assults and child molestors getting less than he may get. He doesnt deserve to be in there longer than a guy who sexually violates women and children.

somerfrost · #39 08-21-2007, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Hes a sicko, there is no doubt he deserves to be punished. That being said if you compare dogfighting to child molestation who should get more prisontime? You have many first time sexual assults and child molestors getting less than he may get. He doesnt deserve to be in there longer than a guy who sexually violates women and children.

I certainly agree Bid, but the answer isn't shortening Vick's sentence, rather we should lock up molesters and throw away the key! Shortening Vick's sentence would simply be adding another travesty to an ever-growing list...when I worked in the prison, i heard everyday how unfair it was that this guy or this woman was serving time while others got off...misses the point...sure, some skate but the unfairness has nothing to do with a person paying for his/her crime. Vick is an animal if indeed he pleads to the charges as presented...the fact that other animals sometimes get short sentences won't be fixed by shortening Vick's!

Cannon Shell · #40 08-21-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Hes a sicko, there is no doubt he deserves to be punished. That being said if you compare dogfighting to child molestation who should get more prisontime? You have many first time sexual assults and child molestors getting less than he may get. He doesnt deserve to be in there longer than a guy who sexually violates women and children.

Maybe Vick could "handle" the molesters like he did the losing dogs. That would make me appreciate him more.