Jazil Retired

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

He was hardly a superstar but he doesn't deserve the ridicule anymore than the thousands of G1 winning horses that are distance challenged do.

Yeah he does.

He won one important race with a dream setup against a nothing field of distance challenged horses and one photo finish over Tasteyville.

If he was in this years Belmont - with the pace that went about four full seconds slower - he would have been plugged home 4th or 5th at best.

But hey, maybe I'm just jealous of his cuteness?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

But hey, maybe I'm just jealous of his cuteness?

Could be it.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yeah he does.

He won one important race with a dream setup against a nothing field of distance challenged horses and one photo finish over Tasteyville.

If he was in this years Belmont - with the pace that went about four full seconds slower - he would have been plugged home 4th or 5th at best.

But hey, maybe I'm just jealous of his cuteness?

With Jara aboard he may have been doomed in this years Belmont. With a competent rider that rode him to a 24-25 clip the whole way he would have been on the pace and able to "plod" home and been in contention. His winning time compares quite favorably with those from the past 10-15 years so it isn't like he just benefitted from a total pace meltdown like Giacomo did in the Derby. I couldn't tell a cute horse from a deformed one so you are talking to the wrong person. You can make all the jokes you want or you could analyze the fractions of all his races and realize that when the jockey could keep him between 24 and 25 all race he was ran his best and even more so as the distance got longer. I don't have much doubt he could have been a factor in that pathetic rendition of the Suburban this year if he had been healthy.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think part of the ridicule has to do with people continually defending Jazil like he was more than he showed on the track. I can't judge the joy someone got out of his running, so I won't talk about that. But, you rarely here someone bring up Seek Gold, because people realize it was a once in a lifetime kind of thing. Jazil winning a Classic race is that as well IMO.

I guess I've never seen that, maybe it was worse on here before I was on. I've never seen anyone defend Jazil as a horse under 10 furlongs. At 10 he was OK and at 12 he was actually a decent horse. It isn't like he is a Bishop Court Hill or a whole host of other G1 winners that were far worse. I don't get the ridicule.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

With a competent rider that rode him to a 24-25 clip the whole way he would have been on the pace and able to "plod" home and been in contention.

the fractions were: 24.74, 50.14, 1:15.32, and 1:40.23

If we assume he ran all 24.50's - he'd have been on a 1.5 length lead after the first quarter of this years Belmont - a 7 length lead after a half mile - a 10.5 length lead after six furlongs - a 13 length lead after a mile.

This is Jazil we are talking about!

You realize how absurd this sounds?

Naked fractions can be a little misleading - and while their have been other Grade 1 winning bums - he did it in a Classic race.

Bishop Court Hill (a son of Holy Bull) was not a classic winner. Giacomo (a son of Holy Bull) was a competitive 4th in the Breeders Cup Classic last year to three outstanding horses - finishing ahead of horses like Lawyer Ron. He had his form darkened in bad setups on West Coast tracks...and unlike Jazil, he was capable of running nice races.

[Merlinsky]

He'll have done more to earn his mares than The Green Monkey. Just to put things in perspective. I've heard both horses described as cute so I thought it was an apt comparison that should be extended a bit.

[Danzig]

i'll laugh my rear off if the stallion ad for jazil includes 'cute'. wonder if you can add an extra 1k to the fee for that?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

To each their own.

True, and I am not going to tell you that you shouldn't have liked the horse. Like whomever you want.
But the biggest things this horse ever accomplished was running second in the '06 Wood and winning the '06 Belmont, and as far as I am concerned, those two races stunk. The '06 Belmont was probably the worst field for a TC race in recent memory. As for the Wood, Bob and John won. I think that says it all.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The emphasis on speed over stamina in the game is ridiculous.

I agree with this as a general point, but not as it applies to this particular horse. Speed is overemphasized in the game today, and unfortunately it does often come at the expense of stamina (although I suppose tracks like Del Mar and Keeneland may be completely reversing this scenario). Years ago stamina was valued more than it has been in the last 10-15 years, and personally I would like to see it more highly valued again, but I don't think there was ever an era in the game in which speed wasn't ALSO valued.
Therefore, I don't think there was ever an era in this game in which a horse of Jazil's "ability" would have been highly valued. Being able to run fast has ALWAYS been a fairly important part of the sport.....and Jazil just couldn't do that.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think part of the ridicule has to do with people continually defending Jazil like he was more than he showed on the track. I can't judge the joy someone got out of his running, so I won't talk about that. But, you rarely here someone bring up Seek Gold, because people realize it was a once in a lifetime kind of thing. Jazil winning a Classic race is that as well IMO.

Thank you Hossy.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by miraja2

True, and I am not going to tell you that you shouldn't have liked the horse. Like whomever you want.
But the biggest things this horse ever accomplished was running second in the '06 Wood and winning the '06 Belmont, and as far as I am concerned, those two races stunk. The '06 Belmont was probably the worst field for a TC race in recent memory. As for the Wood, Bob and John won. I think that says it all.

I hope I never see a day when I can only appreciate the great Champions of our sport. I'm not sure if you are a horse person or not, but I think most who are, have liked a horse that was short on talent but went out and did his best even if it was only a victory over the worst Belmont field in history.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I hope I never see a day when I can only appreciate the great Champions of our sport. I'm not sure if you are a horse person or not, but I think most who are, have liked a horse that was short on talent but went out and did his best even if it was only a victory over the worst Belmont field in history.

True. My point was that I just don't understand what it was about Jazil that you liked so much. As I said, I am not trying to convince you that you are wrong for liking the horse. That wouldn't make any sense. I have liked and followed $10,000 claimers. Usually though, those horses were either horses I liked because of their ability to win, or their ability to win money for me. And I get that it doesn't ALWAYS have to be about winning. I have really enjoyed watching and cheering on Sumwon this year, but that is because I felt I had at least some connection with the people involved with her.
I guess because I never saw anything in Jazil that I liked personally, I am just a little curious about what it was that you did see.

[Swap Fliparoo]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I hope I never see a day when I can only appreciate the great Champions of our sport. I'm not sure if you are a horse person or not, but I think most who are, have liked a horse that was short on talent but went out and did his best even if it was only a victory over the worst Belmont field in history.

High Cotton 4-eva! :nanaspin:

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Swap Fliparoo

High Cotton 4-eva! :nanaspin:

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by miraja2

True. My point was that I just don't understand what it was about Jazil that you liked so much. As I said, I am not trying to convince you that you are wrong for liking the horse. That wouldn't make any sense. I have liked and followed $10,000 claimers. Usually though, those horses were either horses I liked because of their ability to win, or their ability to win money for me. And I get that it doesn't ALWAYS have to be about winning. I have really enjoyed watching and cheering on Sumwon this year, but that is because I felt I had at least some connection with the people involved with her.
I guess because I never saw anything in Jazil that I liked personally, I am just a little curious about what it was that you did see.

I became a big fan of both Jazil and Corinthian in their early allowance against each other. Jazil disappointed next out but I gave him another chance and cashed on a decent exacta in the Wood when he came flying up at the end. At that point I heard all sorts of garbage about the horse being too slow and not able to hit the top ten in the Derby and I tried pointing out that he could go along at a 24-25 click and would almost certainly plod up to the top five. Sure enough it happened and then I was shocked to see people guaranteeing Jazil would be out of the top three in the Belmont and saying they were tossing him from their tickets. I was sure with his running style and ability to click off the 24-25 fractions he would be on the board. Well unfortunately I doubted his ability to win and instead keyed him in the second and third spots in the tri so didn't cash a ticket on him. Yet I was still thrilled to see him once again outrun his expectations and prove the doubters wrong. So I think I cashed exactly one ticket in my life on Jazil yet I came to respect the horse who showed up and outran his odds in the three biggest races of his life. I still think had he stayed healthy he could have competed at 10 furlongs at least as good as Giacomo could. He was never going to be a factor at 9 but at 10 I think he could have done well. After seeing the horses staggering home in this year's Suburban I don't have much doubt that he could have contended there.

[Thunder Gulch]

Honestly thought he retired last year.

[my miss storm cat]

The official UAE press release, for Ms. Sightseek..... diva.

Jazil retired to join Invasor at Shadwell Farm in 2008
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Sheikh Hamdan bin Rashid al Maktoum’s American classic winner Jazil will stand at stud in 2008 next to Dubai World Cup (Gr.1) champion and reigning American Horse of the Year Invasor at the sheikh’s Shadwell Farm in Lexington, Kentucky.

Winner of the Belmont Stakes (Gr.1) last year and a half brother to this year’s Belmont and Kentucky Oaks (Gr.1) winner Rags to Riches, Jazil was retired to avoid the risk of further injury, according to a press release issued Tuesday by Shadwell.

“After discussion with Sheikh Hamdan, we felt it in the best interest of the horse to retire him,” said Shadwell Vice President and General Manager Rick Nichols.

Stud fees have not been announced for either Jazil, a son of Seeking the Gold who incurred a bruised cannon bone and was rested for the second half of 2006 following his Belmont win, or Invasor.

Produced by Better Than Honour, a juvenile Grade 2 winner by Deputy Minister, Jazil won a maiden race at Aqueduct in his two-year-old season before developing into a top quality competitor last year. A closing second in the Wood Memorial Stakes (Gr.1), Jazil rallied from last in a 20-horse field to finish a good fourth in the Kentucky Derby (Gr.1) before defeating Bluegrass Cat and Sunriver in the Belmont.

Trained by Kiaran McLaughlin, Jazil won twice and placed five times in 11 starts while earning US$890,532.

A handsome bay colt that McLaughlin said was one of his favorites due to his kind nature , Jazil is from an outstanding female family. His dam’s half sister Maryinsky produced this year’s leading European three-year-old filly, Peeping Fawn, while his second dam is multiple Grade 1 winner Blush With Pride and his third dam is American Broodmare of the Year Best in Show.

El Gran Senor, Try My Best, Xaar, Spinning World, Aldebaran and Chimes of Freedom descend from Best in Show.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

A handsome bay colt that McLaughlin said was one of his favorites due to his kind nature , Jazil is from an outstanding female family. His dam’s half sister Maryinsky produced this year’s leading European three-year-old filly, Peeping Fawn, while his second dam is multiple Grade 1 winner Blush With Pride and his third dam is American Broodmare of the Year Best in Show.

El Gran Senor, Try My Best, Xaar, Spinning World, Aldebaran and Chimes of Freedom descend from Best in Show.

What a family too.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

What a family too.

Does anybody know anything about Better than Honour's 2yo colt, Casino Drive? I haven't heard if he has made it to the track yet, or for that matter which barn he is even in.
I'm curious to see how he does given his impressive pedigree and very close relation to Rags.