My horse of the year scenarios - Page 2

freddymo · #21 10-02-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Hard Spun wins Most Athletic.

How much better do you think HS would be is C.Nazger was his trainer?

Pedigree Ann · #22 10-02-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Wouldn't the others have to fall for Student Council to win..I am sure Neil Howard feels real good about the chemicals running thru SC body. All of a sudden the colt improves 12 lenghts overnight. Must be the oats.

Horse was looking for a distance of ground. Look at the record - first time he tried 10f, he's a winner. Second time he tries 10f, he's a winner. Not surprising, with a stayer sire in Kingmambo (average progeny win distance 9.9f in Europe) and damsire Kris S (Euro average distance 11.3f).

Don't think he's in a class with the other major BC Classic candidates, but his improvement with the added furlong is not entirely unexpected. Just aren't many 10f stakes races in the center of the country these days.

#23 10-02-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

How much better do you think HS would be is C.Nazger was his trainer?

I believe that US Americans would say that South Africans need maps to find where Hard Spun would be if he uhm and Osama were trained by Carl Nafzger's children.

Cannon Shell · #24 10-02-2007, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Ever ask yourself why a distinguished horseman like N.Howard couldn't get SC to run a lick and 14 days later he is running off the screen?

I would not characterize his all out, rapidly shrinking neck win in the worst Pacific Classic ever as "running off the screen"

#25 10-02-2007, 04:36 PM

Most likely to become famous goes to....

Sumwonlovesyou

*dolphin noises*

SentToStud · #26 10-02-2007, 04:39 PM

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Yeah I'm sure his "improvement" had nothing to do with going into barns that have had a pretty extensive history of drug overages in the past.

I doubt you can syringe a horse to win a grade 1 and easily get away with it. Especially first time Vladimir.

freddymo · #27 10-02-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Horse was looking for a distance of ground. Look at the record - first time he tried 10f, he's a winner. Second time he tries 10f, he's a winner. Not surprising, with a stayer sire in Kingmambo (average progeny win distance 9.9f in Europe) and damsire Kris S (Euro average distance 11.3f).

Don't think he's in a class with the other major BC Classic candidates, but his improvement with the added furlong is not entirely unexpected. Just aren't many 10f stakes races in the center of the country these days.

Wow this is good stuff..Let's call Farish and Howard and let them know what they bred and why he is a runner now maybe they can buy him back and stand him next.

I really don't mean to be a jerk but seriously do you believe anything that you wrote above. You think that the horse is starting to come around because he is bred to get get 10 to 14f's? Don't you think Lanesend has a an idea how Mambo's tend to be? Isn't a bit more plausible that N.Howard is not a cheater because his client can't and the new owners can?

freddymo · #28 10-02-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I would not characterize his all out, rapidly shrinking neck win in the worst Pacific Classic ever as "running off the screen"

I watched every race the horse ever raced he has always been a plodding slug.."A little dab will do Ya"

Cannon Shell · #29 10-02-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Wow this is good stuff..Let's call Farish and Howard and let them know what they bred and why his is a runner now maybe they can buy him back and stand him next.

I really don't mean to be a jerk but seriously do you believe anything that you wrote above. You think that the horse is starting to come around because he is bred to get get 10 to 14f's? Don't you think Lanesend has a an idea how Mambo's tend to be? Isn't a bit more plausible that N.Howard is not a cheater because his client can't and the new owners can?

I know you are new and all but he has won 2 of the worst handicap races ever run in North America. He is not running huge numbers or doing much more than he was before.

OMG I just defended the syringe and Assmussen....feeling weak....

Cannon Shell · #30 10-02-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I watched every race the horse ever raced he has always been a plodding slug.."I dab will do Ya"

Which he continues to be. However he may have just landed in the most sluggish spots to date.

He gets within 10 lengths at the BC Classic....and I will admit you are 100% correct

but we both know there is no chance that he will

Riot · #31 10-02-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Most likely to become famous goes to....

Sumwonlovesyou

*dolphin noises*

I think we'd better get those ads in TB Times and BH right now, starting her campaign for HOY

SentToStud · #32 10-02-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Wow this is good stuff..Let's call Farish and Howard and let them know what they bred and why he is a runner now maybe they can buy him back and stand him next.

I really don't mean to be a jerk but seriously do you believe anything that you wrote above. You think that the horse is starting to come around because he is bred to get get 10 to 14f's? Don't you think Lanesend has a an idea how Mambo's tend to be? Isn't a bit more plausible that N.Howard is not a cheater because his client can't and the new owners can?

Then again, why not ask yourself why people thought he was impossible in that race? He was competitive vs Brass Hat, Magna Grad and Wanderin Boy. He certainly was not impossible vs an unproven Lava Man and the rest of that scraggly crew on the synthetic.

freddymo · #33 10-02-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

Then again, why not ask yourself why people thought he was impossible in that race? He was competitive vs Brass Hat, Magna Grad and Wanderin Boy. He certainly was not impossible vs an unproven Lava Man and the rest of that scraggly crew on the synthetic.

This I totally agree with but only because now the colt was being treated with new medication

SentToStud · #34 10-02-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

This I totally agree with but only because now the colt was being treated with new medication

Like what?

Cannon Shell · #35 10-02-2007, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

Like what?

the special, undectable stuff that moves em up in a week pills

SentToStud · #36 10-02-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

the special, undectable stuff that moves em up in a week pills

Like what?

#37 10-02-2007, 05:04 PM

The "Neil Howard is overrated" pills.

Cannon Shell · #38 10-02-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

Like what?

Only guys like Freddy know...the rest of us have just heard the whispers....

Seriously if I knew of such pills, i would down a couple bottles and be QB of the Bears next week.

freddymo · #39 10-02-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

the special, undectable stuff that moves em up in a week pills

Exactly

freddymo · #40 10-02-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Only guys like Freddy know...the rest of us have just heard the whispers....

Seriously if I knew of such pills, i would down a couple bottles and be QB of the Bears next week.

You are right must be the oats that get move them up 10 days after you claim them for 20 and they crush 35's.

have a heart it's the single biggest issue in racing today