How would The Classic have been...

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Really? How do you know?

Of course I don't know, it is an opinion. But the numbers rarely lie, and Curlin has been consistently faster than Invasor.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Of course I don't know, it is an opinion. But the numbers rarely lie, and Curlin has been consistently faster than Invasor.

Numbers lie all the time...look at lawyer ron.

Wasnt bernardini consistently faster as well?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

As much as I want to grumble, I can't argue with a time of 2:00.59. A second and a half faster than Invasor last year. So there's no way to make his connections seem more warm and fuzzy? Would beer goggles help?

The ESPN folks sure seemed to have trouble liking those people. Rather surprised they didn't try to gloss over it but too many informed people would smell a rat. There aren't just laypersons watching for whom to create a BS feel good tale.

Two different tracks, though...

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The way Curlin ran - I haven't watched replays and studied charts and done any work on todays races - but I doubt he was beating Curlin today.

While Invasor is obviously a MUCH better horse than Hard Spun....Hard Spun is an underrated horse when he makes the lead....and it was totally shocking with the ease that Curlin passed him - especially considering how Hard Spun had a favorable pace on top of making the lead.
On first impressions - even though everything went the way you'd draw it up forHard Spun...he was no disapointment today at all. I certainly don't think Hard Spun lost anything in defeat...even with the harshest of critics who knew he had it all his way.

Curlin is just plain awesome. I think Invasor's class probably would have willed him past HS though.

:23 and :45 and 4 is way too quick of a pace for 10F. I thought Hard Spun did a heck of a job to hold second after going that fast early on.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by sirbarton

:23 and :45 and 4 is way too quick of a pace for 10F. I thought Hard Spun did a heck of a job to hold second after going that fast early on.

Hard Spun is an impressive horse. I think it's a shame we won't see him run again because he's a colt that seems to put in an awesome effort almost every time. I love horses like that.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Numbers lie all the time...look at lawyer ron.

Wasnt bernardini consistently faster as well?

when did they start giving out trophies for best numbers??

would have been nice to have invasor out there. he never did get enough credit for everything he did.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Hard Spun is an impressive horse. I think it's a shame we won't see him run again because he's a colt that seems to put in an awesome effort almost every time. I love horses like that.

He tries hard every time, no doubt. That's one of the things I like about Octave. She gives her very best every time. I had HS across--wish he could have gone the early fractons in something like 24, 48 and 1:12. He might have had more left when Curlin came to him. Although the way the winner finished he would have been hard to hold off regardless of early pace.

[avance2000]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Numbers lie all the time...look at lawyer ron.

Wasnt bernardini consistently faster as well?

yeah, but fraudardini sucked.
curlin certainly would have given invasor a tougher battle than old bernarfraudi did, but as to who would win between invasor and curlin, i think it is tough to say. if they raced 10 times i think they would each win a few, but i don't think invasor could have beaten curlin yesterday. he ran brilliantly.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by ALostTexan

...if Invasor didn't have his injury and ran today? Would have been an interesting year...

Hope he liked mud.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by avance2000

yeah, but fraudardini sucked.
curlin certainly would have given invasor a tougher battle than old bernarfraudi did, but as to who would win between invasor and curlin, i think it is tough to say. if they raced 10 times i think they would each win a few, but i don't think invasor could have beaten curlin yesterday. he ran brilliantly.

hard to take your observations seriously when you start by saying bernardini...oh, i'm sorry, fraudardini sucked.
altho i wasn't one who thought the horse walked on water, he certainly didn't suck. far from it.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Two different tracks, though...

Considering that Midnight Lute ran the Sprint in 1:09 and the Distaff went in 1:50, I'd say 2:00 2/5 is pretty freakin' impressive.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by sirbarton

I had HS across--wish he could have gone the early fractons in something like 24, 48 and 1:12.

Those fractions in the BC Classic over that glib race track?

You're kidding right?

Hard Spun was cruising on an uncontested lead. He was very comfortable and never pressured by anyone.

Had the pace been as laughably slow (considering the speed of the track) as you say - the entire field would have been very tightly bunched up and most of the riders of the horses in the top flight would be checking their rank mounts.

Coco Belle sat a neck off of a 20 4/5th first quarter and set a 43 1/5th half mile in race #2 - and still won paying $13 to win. War Pass went 45 2/5 for the half and won the 8.5 furlong BC Juvie with disdain ease.

If you think the Breeders Cup Classic is going in 24 and 48 over that track - I just don't know what to say.

Hard Spun could not have asked for much more.
He does try hard and never gives up.
He just cant stay with the real class at 10 f and the
real class is Curlin. That was a great run. Street Sense
had the same sort of setup except he went rail.

It is hard to say what Invasor would have done on this track.
I personally think we would have seen a battle for the ages had
he been in this race.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Invasor would not have beaten Curlin.

I would have loved to see it. I think in the Dubai World Cup Invasor would have had at least a 119 Beyer if they produced figures so he was certainly capable of going that fast. Also, no one ever looked Invasor in the eye in the stretch and then beat him which we have seen happen to Curlin.

[Thunder Gulch]

I think Bernardini was the same as Curlin and Invasor waxed him. Actually, Bernardini was more dominant through the summer than Curlin by a wide margin.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by ALostTexan

...if Invasor didn't have his injury and ran today? Would have been an interesting year...

We would have gotten better odds on Curlin!

[SOREHOOF]

Actually, Bernardini was more dominant through the summer than Curlin by a wide margin.[/quote]
Curlin faced tougher horses than Bernardini. Curlin is no INVASOR though. If he races next year we'll see how he stacks up.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I can't help but wish the legal issues don't resolve soon- the longer they take to resolve, the longer Curlin will keep running, I hope!

That's the way I feel, too. I had no trouble rooting for Curlin once it got down to Curlin, Street Sense, and Hard Spun. With the latter two definitely ending their careers prematurely, give me the one who at least MIGHT be around next year.

I will say this for Asmussen--he was very gracious toward Helen Pitts in his ESPN post-race interview.

--Dunbar

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

I think Bernardini was the same as Curlin and Invasor waxed him. Actually, Bernardini was more dominant through the summer than Curlin by a wide margin.

Bernardini did not even run in the Derby.
And he was had a very diff. running style compared to Curlin.
Curlin and Invasor ran the same type of race.
Bernardini did not face any horse as good as Street Sense
or Rags in his TC races.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

I think Bernardini was the same as Curlin and Invasor waxed him. Actually, Bernardini was more dominant through the summer than Curlin by a wide margin.

Curlin's performance in the BC Classic was obviously better than Bernardini's.

This isn't about who is better than who - Invasor only beat a hanging Sun King by a head in the Whitney when he had difficult circumstances.

With any kind of circumstances he would have needed a career best race to beat Curlin yesterday.